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= July 6 =

bear in Trollhunter
In Trollhunter at 37 minutes, a truck shows up with a dead bear to account for the troll's kills. The (Norwegian) game officer objects that it's not a Scandinavian bear, and the (Polish) leader of the delivery crew says it's a ———— bear, very similar to a Scandinavian bear, very close, no problem! As this part is in English, Netflix gives me no subtitles. Did you catch what kind of bear it was? Sounds like kwartje. —Tamfang (talk) 06:38, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Don't see how they could tell - there is only one type of bear found in Europe (apart from Polar Bears in the far north). Wymspen (talk) 14:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Turn on closed captioning so you get subtitles all the time. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 15:09, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Not with streaming on Netlfix. StuRat (talk) 01:46, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I watch Netflix with CC on. Everything I've watched has subtitles all the time. I get subtitles on my TV, on my computer, and on my phone. So, I'm not sure what kind of Netflix app you are using that doesn't have subtitles. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 12:39, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Could it be that the blank is not a type of bear, but something like "damn", but in Norwegian ? They occasionally leave swear words untranslated. StuRat (talk) 01:51, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The local species of bear is the Brown bear (Ursus arctos), which in Norwegian is the Brunbjørn. The American Black bear (Ursus americanus) is, in Norwegian, the Svartbjørn. I haven't watched the movie yet (though I have the DVD) but is it possible the substitute bear provided is of the latter species, and the word is svart? (The Asian black bear (Ursus thibetanus) would be slightly more plausible geographically, but in Norwegian is the Kragebjørn.) Perhaps they obtained the dead ringer from a zoo and had to take whatever was conveniently available ;-). (The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.211.129.9 (talk) 09:01, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * So it's svarter than the average bear? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:50, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Here, have this internet. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.211.129.9 (talk) 05:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * According to the Bluray subtitle: "No, it is from Croatia!" Nil Einne (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * A number of other places also mention the Croatian part [//www.imdb.com/reviews/424/42441.html]  [//faeawarenessmonth.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/troll-hunter-review-by-louise-bohmer/] [//geekchocolate.co.uk/troll-hunter/] [//mexcine.tumblr.com/post/3189621227/the-troll-hunter-2010-review] [//www.instagram.com/explore/tags/trolljergen/]. I agree the meaning is hard to discern from the speaking. Nil Einne (talk) 21:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Everything you might want to know about Croatian Brown Bears is here. Alansplodge (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well that doesn't tell you how you can visually distinguish them from Scandinavian Brown Bears, although it does mention genetic differences. I'm pretty sure the answer is probably even an expert can't since if you could they'd likely have been considered a separate sub species, but it doesn't explicitly say that either.) Nil Einne (talk) 05:33, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It does say:
 * "As recently as fifty years ago different authors described several species and from 70 up to 150 subspecies of brown bears. Recent biological findings, supported by genetic research, have shown them to be ecological variants of the same species. Thus, the North American grizzly bear belongs to the same species as the Eurasian brown bear. Depending on the population of origin, those bears may present considerable differences. The bear has, to a greater extent than most species, an immense ability to adapt its size and appearance to the conditions in his habitat." (p24) and
 * "Thus, bears from Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia and Herzegovina are genetically identical to the remaining bears from the Alps and are genetically slightly from the bears from the Pyrenees. On the other hand, the bears from the Romanian Carpathians, Russia and Northern Scandinavia differ significantly from them and are not therefore suitable for reintroduction of the specieis [sic] in Western Europe." (p25) [my italics].
 * This suggests to me that an expert could tell the difference. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.128.209 (talk) 07:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I read the later part (it's what I meant by 'does mention genetic differences'), but it didn't seem to suggest a visual difference. But thanks for the earlier part, I missed it since it didn't mention Croatia. I was wondering if there could be some adaption in fur length which could be used to distinguish where the bear had spent most of its recent life, but didn't think much about size. Nil Einne (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Anyway I guess the main point is the scene is perhaps not completely unrealistic and it's possible the guy could have known it wasn't a Scandinavian bear simply from the quick look. Nil Einne (talk) 05:02, 12 July 2017 (UTC)