Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2018 August 12

= August 12 =

Italian rock festival
What was the most important rock festival in italy?--2001:B07:6463:31EE:D53:9748:1AEF:34C0 (talk) 11:07, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Define "most important". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:31, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't define it, e.g.the Woodstock was the most important in the world.--5.168.42.154 (talk) 18:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a matter of opinion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:08, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * There is a Category:Rock festivals in Italy, if that helps (?). 2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Rock in Roma seems to matter most. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

teams that won a championship one season but no longer existed the following season
what are examples of sports teams that won a championship one season but did not exist the next season? 43.247.17.130 (talk) 23:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Los Angeles Xtreme-- Jayron 32 23:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Looking at List of National League pennant winners, there are three that came close, in that they won the league championship and also the "World Series", then played one more season and disappeared: Providence in 1884, Detroit in 1887, and Baltimore in 1898. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:58, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I assume you're excluding situations where the league went under but the team joined a new league, such as with Boston of the National Association in 1875, and more recently the Winnipeg Jets (1972–96) who won the final WHA season before its best teams were absorbed into the NHL. There's also the case of winning the championship and switching leagues - specifically, Brooklyn of the AA, which won the league pennant in 1889, then switched to the National League for 1890, and the AA went bust after the 1891 season. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of simply excluding cases where the league folded, so mentioning the Los Angeles Xtreme when the XFL as a whole folded is kind of like cheating. 43.247.17.130 (talk) 00:12, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of close ones in hockey - the Victoria Cougars won the Stanley Cup in 1925 and lost in 1926, and then their league folded, so that doesn't count, as you said. The Montreal Maroons won in 1935 but folded in 1938. Adam Bishop (talk) 01:14, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * An example that kinda sorta fits your criteria is the Formula 1 Brawn GP racing team, which was 'created' in early 2009, won both the Drivers' Championship and Constructors' Championship titles in 2009, but was not entered in the 2010 season or thereafter.
 * However, this is because in 2008 it had been the Honda Racing F1 Team, was bought out by its management under team principal Ross Brawn after Honda decided to withdraw from motor racing, redesigned its car to use Mercedes rather than Honda engines, and for 2010 was renamed the Mercedes GP Petronas Formula One Team after Daimler (who own the Mercedes marque) took a significant share in it.
 * Through these changes they remained at the same HQ at Brackley and retained much of their personnel, so to what extent Brawn GP 'no longer existed' in 2010 depends on your definition of the concept. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.0.130.143 (talk) 01:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * It is common for a team to win a championship and then move. Technically, the old team doesn't exist. Example: The Dallas Texans won the AFC championship against the Houston Oilers and then moved and became the Kansas City Chiefs. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 13:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Both of those were franchise moves only. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The Baltimore Stallions won the Grey Cup in 1995 (they are the only U.S.-based team to ever win it), then officially folded afterwards when the Canadian Football League decided to end its experiment with non-Canadian teams. They were replaced by the Montreal Alouettes who took over a lot of the management team and many players, but the CFL considers that they are two separate franchises. Xuxl (talk) 13:24, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The league can consider whatever they want, but the fact is that the Baltimore franchise was moved to Montreal. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was essentially a franchise move, but with a few complicating factors (for example, the Stallions were exempt from the rules mandating a certain quota of Canadian players, while Montreal wasn't, so that had to tinker the roster to meet the requirement). It's still one of the examples closest to what the OP is seeking. --Xuxl (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The San Francisco Deltas won the Soccer Bowl 2017, the championship of the North American Soccer League, and then folded 12 days later. HOWEVER, the NASL is likely to be going away for good; it cancelled its 2018 season hoping to reorganize and come back in 2019, and that rarely happens.  -- Jayron 32 18:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * In general, if a league folds, you should expect that the last championship winner will be a team that won a championship and then folded as well. The exception is a team that jumps from the folded league to another league. Example: XFL folded after the 2001 championship game. The Los Angeles Xtreme won the championship and folded as well. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 13:23, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Two-sevenths of The Natural Born Thrillers won the WCW World Tag Team Championship in Indianapolis that winter, survived WCW's global folding in the spring, were dethroned by The Brothers of Destruction at a WWE Los Angeles show and finished off forever by The Holly Cousins in Fort Wayne that summer.
 * By the same month one year after the championship glory (if that's how you want to measure a season), O'Haire was down on the farm league, teaming with future nobody Jack Black in Louisville and soon-to-be somebody The Prototype in Muncie. Palumbo was well on his way by then to becoming a celebrated champion for gay marriage with renowned drugstore cowboy and ass man Billy Gunn, before that predictably flopped on even more levels than the XFL had.
 * Indianapolis and the state as whole rebounded fairly well from post-Sin woes, though today are perhaps both best remembered for destroying Hulkamania and folding up The Big Show. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The Birmingham Americans won the first season's championship for the World Football League in 1974. They went bust before the second season began. The league itself collapsed before they could finish the second season, but they did at least start a second season, with its previous champion now non-existent. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:39, 14 August 2018 (UTC)