Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2018 March 7

= March 7 =

Bible fiction
The story of Moses has been portrayed several times on film and TV, examples include The Ten Commandments, Exodus: Gods and Kings, The Bible etc. Are there any productions that include the events in Zipporah at the inn? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The article Zipporah lists some of the various works of fiction that feature her as a character, but none go into detail as to which events of her life are depicted. -- Jayron 32 13:24, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I actually added "In fiction" to that article myself. I've seen Commandments and Exodus, nothing there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd be surprised. It's a really difficult story to understand and can be excluded from the narrative entirely without affecting what they like to call the 'story arc' these days. Sorry, that's an opinion. You can see Rashi's classic understanding of the story based on Midrashic sources here --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 18:23, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have a similar opinion, who knows how potential audience would react? It'd be a gamble. But there's a lot of biblical film/TV fiction, so who knows, maybe someone took the literal approach in this case. I wonder if there's a source that speaks of this particular exclusion, proving the negative so to speak. At least there are a couple of paintings. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:38, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Conflicting Dates on Barbara Bach's Birthdate
Good day Wiki... I have spent the better part of an hour trying to find the right place to bring something to Wikipedia's attention... I hope this is the right place?!?! During the course of investigating the Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Band in the History of the World, The Beatles, I noticed one simple problem: On the "Barbara Bach" Wikipedia page, her birthdate is (accurately, I believe) entered as August 27, 1947. However, on "The Beatles' Timeline" page, the date is (inaccurately, I believe) entered as being April 5, 1947. I didn't want to be so bold as to edit either page without knowing, for certain, which is the correct date... I simply wanted to bring this inconsistency to Wikipedia's attention, as I said. Thank you for reading! I anxiously await your replies, and/or correction... Sincerely...a devoted Wikipedian...

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 * Does she have an official website? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. - and it says August 27th. So does ImDB. Wymspen (talk) 22:36, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Psycho: Continuity errors
Were there continuity errors in the Psycho films? 5.80.140.241 (talk) 21:30, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There used to be a site called nitpickers.com, or something like that, which may still exist. The one thing that I recall being pointed out about the original movie is that when Janet Leigh's character is stabbed to death, they zoom in on her supposedly lifeless eyes, and the pupils contract. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:12, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * If we're really being nitpickers, I don't think that would be a continuity error, just a flubbed scene. More at continuity error. Googling psycho continuity errors brings up several likely sites to go through, including IMDb. Matt Deres (talk) 00:22, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, like in 2001 when Dr. Floyd drinks from a straw in supposed zero-gravity conditions, but the liquid slides back down the straw when he's done. I think the book about the making of the movie referred to it as a "technical error", which is maybe how one could describe the Janet Leigh thing also. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:28, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There are a few technical errors in 2001: A Space Odyssey, but I don't think that's one of them, even if it was something the filmmakers didn't think about. If you're drinking a liquid in zero-gee, you want it to be in a sealed container so it doesn't leak out. In that case when you suck on the straw, the air pressure inside the container is reduced, so when you let go, the outside air pushes the liquid down (or rather, back into the container). You can feel a similar pressure reduction in everyday life if you drink juice from one of those boxes where you access the juice by pushing a straw through foil. --69.159.62.113 (talk) 09:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe or maybe not. The specifics you're describing are not addressed in the book. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear here, a continuity error is NOT a technical error. A continuity error is where it is clear that the scene was shot in different takes, making the film-making process obvious rather than seamless.  For example, a scene where a person changes shirts back-and-forth between shots because they had different shirts on during different days of filming.  That's a continuity error because it breaks the flow of the scene, making it clear it wasn't shot in one go.  Everything described above is a technical error.  In order to be a continuity error, it has to occur across multiple shots.  None of the above examples qualify.  -- Jayron 32 13:32, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Can't see I completely agree, nor does the article you linked to seem to support this view. It's true that a technical error and a continuity error aren't the same thing. It's also true that most continuity errors arise for the reason you outlined. However a continuity error doesn't have to be because of different takes, it's anything where continuity is broken. So for example if during a single take some big shot actor has someone giving them water while the cameras are focused on someone else and spills some on their top, and this is visible when the camera focuses on them again and it makes no sense in the context of the show that they would suddenly have water on them, this would still be a continuity error. (I don't think this example is very likely for many reasons including the nature of film making meaning a scene isn't likely to be this long. But it illustrates the point regardless.)  More to the point, as our article explains, continuity errors includes stuff which has more to do with writing than the nature of the process. For example, if it's mentioned a character has 2 children a boy and a girl early in the show, and then later they have 2 boys, and there's no explanation in the show for this change, this is a continuity error. (It can get complicated whether to include retroactive continuity/retconning as continuity errors. It also gets complicated whether or not to include complicated Plot holes which relate to continuity. But I think most people would accept very minor issues which don't even really affect the plot, where there was no reason for the change other than slop writing, especially within the exact same episode/movie, as a continuity error.)  It doesn't have to be just writing either. It could be coordination between writing staff and the crew, as well of course as belated changes. If we use the earlier example, if there are bunch of photos of the character with 3 kids in their house or whatever, and it's mentioned at some stage they had 2 kids this would likely be considered a continuity error. But it most likely arose because whoever putting the photos for some reason thought there were 3 kids or it was never specified so didn't matter. (Depending on show, timing, plot, background and role of the character etc, you may or may not be able to come up with reasons for such continuity errors. For example, a character having 2 boys instead of a boy and a girl could be because the child has came out as a transgender boy or the parent has finally accepted this. Likewise 3 vs 2 children maybe one child died, or a for the family is particularly close to a nephew or niece or even the child is still alive but has been disowned.)  There's no guarantee this is something which would have been picked up even if somehow you'd shot the entire show in one continuous take. Actually if one scene is at the beginning and one scene is at the end and both occurred in the same location which isn't featured much in the show, it's probably slightly more likely it would have been picked up in the normal process where both scenes may have shot not long after each other.  Nil Einne (talk) 05:08, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * One of the most famous continuity mistakes (due to endless reruns) is when the Wicked Witch of the West tells the monkeys that she's sent a little insect to take the fight out of the heroes. Unbeknownst to the witch, the "Jitterbug" sequence was cut from the film. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:50, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


 * IMDb lists a few issues that would count as continuity errors. Most of them are pretty minor (shadows and small props moving between cuts), but one is interesting: Janet Leigh's body double in the shower scene has painted nails while Leigh does not. Smurrayinchester 15:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Here are some continuity errors I picked out.

Psycho II - 1: Lila Loomis said that Norman Bates murdered seven people. However, the first film revealed that Norman killed six. Not seven. (His mother and her lover, Marion Crane, Arbogast and two other women). 2: Norman told Lila's daughter Mary that he killed his mother when he was 12 years old. But Psycho IV: The Beginning showed that he killed his mother and her lover when he was 15 or 16.

Psycho IV: The Beginning - Norman said that his father was killed by bee stings and he and his mother were at his funeral when he was six. But in Psycho III, Tracy Venable told Norman that his aunt Emma Spool was in love with his father. But he chose his mother over her. She said that she went insane and murdered his father in a jealous rage before (not after) kidnapping Norman when he was an infant. Not when he was a six. In the first film, the psychiatrist said that Norman became dangerously disturbed ever since his father died. But if he was a baby or under-five, he would have been too young to become disturbed. 5.80.140.241 (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't be too sure about that. Jeffrey Dahmer displayed early signs of his pathology at age four. And Ted Bundy at age three. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:36, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In fact, if you forgot to traumatize your serial killer clone by 5 you've probably wasted your money. He'll probably only grow up to be an asshole that doesn't serial kill humans. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:04, 8 March 2018 (UTC)