Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2019 March 14

= March 14 =

Vehicle combat game for the original PlayStation that takes place in San Francisco
I remember back in the early 2000s, I played some kind of driving game on the original PlayStation. I only played it for a few days as the game belonged to a family friend and the disc was returned after a short while, so I don't remember many details about the game anymore. What I do remember is that some or all of the game takes place in San Francisco (I remember since one of the missions had the dialogue "San Francisco is a city in turmoil"), it was not a racing game but rather a driving game, it had combat elements (or at least you were trying to avoid obstacles and attacks), it had missions, and if my memory is correct, the main car used was either gray or black. And before anyone asks, it was neither those San Francisco racing games nor was it Driver. I also checked every game on List of driving and racing video games that had a PS1 version listed, but none of the games seemed to fit. Can someone help out here? It's something that's bothered me for more than 16 years now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Vigilante 8? 81.140.42.42 (talk) 15:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds like it might be Driver_(video_game), which is set in four cities including SF. RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read the OP's question? --Viennese Waltz 16:10, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Obviously not all of it. Oops.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:29, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Is it one of these: Twisted Metal ? Or, something else here: List of vehicular combat games —2606:A000:1126:28D:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not, and it seems the game I was looking for isn't among those listed on that page either. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Can someone find an obit
The article has had some back and forth over a date for her death. IMDb and Behind the Voices are WP:USERGENERATED and I've been unable to find an obit in my web searching. I'm hoping that regulars of this R/D can do better than I have done. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not finding it in Newspapers.com, although it's not comprehensive. Not on Findagrave either, ditto. What are the various possible death dates or years that you've run across so far? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:32, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking . The one that both sites that I mentioned have is February 4, 2011. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Not finding much on Ancestry.com, either. For what it's worth, their marriage license application dated March 3, 1939, states Jack Mercer's age as 26 and hers as 24. That yields more recent birth years than 1910 and 1909 respectively. Maybe they fibbed about their ages. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:21, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your research . I find it a little odd that no one noted the passing of someone whose voice was such a part of the cartoons that I grew up watching. Ah well when life starts making some kind of sense that will be a pleasant change :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:08, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't rule out that she remarried and when she died only that married name was given. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:10, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Since there doesn't seem to be a Margaret Hines anywhere i think the logical conclusion here is she probably did remarry as what another user suggested so tracking her possible married name down is gonna be trickier as it could be literally anything. --ThatBaileyLad (talk) 01:41, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In any case, rather than maintaining the almost certain fiction that this woman is still among the living, at age 110 or so, it would be best to post the death date(s) you have and add a question mark after it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you look at it is stated in the comments that she was older than Jack Mercer and altered her age on her marriage application.   So she was born prior to Jack, and Jack was two months old at the time of the 1910 census.   This ties in with the officially recorded date of birth, 1 October 1909.   As regards her date of death, I don't think anything can be made of the fact that IMDb gives her age on 4 February 2011 as 102 - I think that was done mechanically by subtracting 1909 from 2011.   I'm not sure why the original obituary is being claimed to be a hoax - Margaret Hines was a New York lass and there can't be many people called Margaret Louise Hines who died in New York State between January and September 2011 at the age of 101. 2A00:23C5:840F:1F01:51C3:5024:D4D0:25B0 (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well chances are she probably did die in 2011 but we really need more concrete evidence here. Is it possible to check a Public Record's office in New York City since or the town she was born in cause chance's are they're maybe record's of her there. --ThatBaileyLad (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Going back to the original obituary notice, it was posted by Blair Whipple.  He can be contacted via .   I've done test checks and the information seems to be 100% reliable.   For example, the site says Gerry Rafferty died 4 January 2011 at 63 and Susannah York on 15 January 2011 at 72.   This exactly matches the information in our articles. 2A00:23C5:840F:1F01:A176:E38:F68C:20A1 (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What is the link for that obituary notice? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Off-WP, I've had a message from someone researching the family's genealogy, stating: "Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any solid evidence of her after her divorce in Florida....  I don't think I've seen any validity to the 2011 death year. I remember looking into it years ago and never finding any evidence to support it...".   This person gives Hines' birth date as 13 October 1909, by the way, though the official New York Birth Index gives 15 October 1909.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:35, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Beyond My Ken's reasoning for doubting the obituary (06:53, 26 February 2012) is that the local newspaper didn't publish one.  But local newspapers are not showbiz orientated, and even if they were there is no reason for them to record the death of an obscure actress (and that's assuming they were aware of it, which seems unlikely).   Blair Whipple's website  is showbiz oriented, so would be expected to be both aware of this and record it.   Nobody at the Reliable sources noticeboard has suggested it is unreliable. 2A00:23C5:840F:1F01:8CF1:5CA1:3354:508E (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Has anyone asked Blair Whipple (here) where he got his information? It may help us assess whether his site can be considered reliable in this instance?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, where is this obituary that various users have referred to? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)