Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2019 March 26

= March 26 =

Is Sophie B. Hawkins Harriet Owen ?
Hello Sophie B. Hawkins is indeed the same person as Harriet Owen proof:
 * Both Owen and Hawkins were born on the exact same day
 * Both Owen and Hawkins have the exact same voice
 * Both Owen and Hawkins are masters at accent impersonation
 * Both Owen and Hawkins have children named Dashiell and Esther (born in the same years)

What proof does Wikipedia have that these are two different people? If it was just the November 1, 1964 birth date then I'd give it a pass, but it's more than just that. Oh did I mention that Harriet Owen was born in Manhattan? I cannot find proof that Harriet's a different person, or at least, not the Harriet Owen from this movie I mean it's just a stretch to say that it's just coincidence. I have tried so hard to find something taking these two appart, but appart from a totally unrelated person named Harriet Owen that lives in North Brewham that has never been in a Disney movie, I can't find any proofs that Harriet Owen from the Pete rPan sequal is not Hawkins. Again, both born on november 1 of 1964, both having the same voice, both having children of the same names born in the same years. It leaves one asking, what's going on? I mean, Damn, somebody must be way out there, and either there is or is not proof that I am dead wrong. So I guess in this rambling zig-zaggy post, I'm asking, Where's the Proof? 199.101.61.34 (talk) 17:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You're engaging in a significant quantity of WP:OR. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * None of your statements about Harriet Owen are backed up with sourced info in her article so it is hard to understand where your comparisons are coming from. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The fact that they're the same age means nothing. Thousands of people are born every day. You're totally engaging in personal speculation, i.e. original research. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * [Edit Conflict with Bugs above] Sophie B. Hawkins was, according to the OP and her own article, born November 1, 1964 and is aged 54.
 * According to Harriet Owen's own article, "As a teenager, she voiced the part of Wendy's daughter Jane in the (February-released) 2002 Disney animated film Return to Never Land [in which she also voiced young Wendy]. If a teenager in 2001 (when she would have recorded the part), she cannot be older than 2019 – 2001 + 19 = 37.
 * I also would like to know where the OP claims to be finding these biographical details for Owen; they're not in her IMDb entry, for example (and would not be reliable if they were, since it's a user-generated site). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.138.194 (talk) 00:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * IMDB also says "Now a teacher of Religious Education at the Royal Grammar School in Guildford, Surrey." It might be hard to do that work and also go on concert tours. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * And note the two were born on different continents. That's even harder for a lone person to do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Bilocation? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * This is the same editor who was recently arguing that Kim Esty cannot be Canadian because she talks with a British accent. Again, totally personal opinion with no factual basis. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:34, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The OP claims to be blind and a Yemeni, although the IP geolocates to Canada. In any case, the OP fancies himself an expert in the sounds of voices, which is fine for himself, but it's not suitable as a citation in Wikipedia. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Please note that I did a Google search on Harriet Owen birth and I got 1993, not 1964, as her birth date. Georgia guy (talk) 01:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The Harriet Owen born in 1993 is a different person. Also to our little wabbit friend here, being born on two different continents didn't stop a bunch of wankers from saying that Annice Moriarty and Kether Donohue are the same person. Look on a bunch of anime fansites. They are only just starting to take that stuff off. The Peter Pan voice actress was born on november 1 1964 and I never said I lived in Yemen I said I am originally form Yemen, so therefore you might want to review things before your massive exposé on the guy who refuses to read long-winded wiki policies. So if we get to have Wikipedia for the longest time equating Annice Moariarty to being the same person as Kether Donohue, despite them being not only born on different continents but opposite sides of the equator too, then why not draw the parallel between Hawkins and Owen? I used the same sandards of proof that those people used for Annice Moariarty vs. Kether Donohue. Harriet Owen is a pseudonym of Sophie B. Hawkins. The Harriet Owen from 1993 did not voice anybody in Peter Pan she's way too young and the wrong individual. Hey, just using the same sandards that the people making the claim about Kether Donohue used. Why is it good for them but bad for me? In th emean time, don't tell me to stop 199.101.61.34 (talk) 06:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You have not presented a shred of proof for your assertion that they are the same person. Between your poor command of English and you iffy typing skills WP:CIR is on full display. BTW ref desks are not a place for debate and that is what you have decided to do with both threads that you have opened. If this kind of behavior continues it can be seen as trolling which can lead to a topic ban and removal of future threads. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 06:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Quit linking these wiki policies. Unless they are goung to have a nutshell section added to them, nobody's going to read them. The kim esty thing above is a genuine concern. Also if you read the post about Sophie Harriet Owen B. Hawkins then you would know that I asked for proof of the existance of this totally parallel person. I said I looked all over, and yes I did see the 1993 year, not believable. I'm trying to find where to find this different individual and you are being unhelpful much like a lot of our red, white and blue friends that can't, as Cindy Mizelle says, read between the lines 199.101.61.34 (talk) 07:03, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Once last time you have provided no evidence of an alternate HO. Until you do there is nothing wrong with the articles as they stand. I suggest that this thread be a) ignored or b) closed. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 07:10, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Once again my American friend, make like Cindy Mizelle and read Between the Lions, because I'm trying to ask where I can find this individual. Hence why I asked before, Where's the beef? Tell me where to go and I'll go there, If you were British then you'd probably know more about this woman if she exists, I never heard anything during my time in the UK, and I lived near wher Owen supposedly lives for 9 years after I first went to the UK. I want to find sources, I need a link, I want to find out more. As some Swedish friends of mine say, gimme gimme gimme Sorry that I'm not willing to ask where to find it in a boring manner like Richard would, but I'm asking where can I find something that shows me that I am wrong? 199.101.61.34 (talk) 07:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC) I want to see some pages about Harriet Owen, not some long-winded wiki policy. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 07:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm closing this down. The limits of good faith have been reached with the person who started this thread, and earlier ones like it.  Please stop.  Wikipedia is a serious venture, and we aren't here to play these little games you want to play.  Instead, take it to some other website.  We'll have no more of your silliness here.  If you cannot stop yourself, we'll have to take additional measures.  -- Jayron 32 12:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)