Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2019 March 27

= March 27 =

verifying voice actor pseudonyms
What are Wikipedia's standards in terms of verifying pseudonyms of voice actors? fore example, while indeed references to Annice Moriarty are removed on Kether Donohue, several rolls linked to Moriarty are still present on Donohue's page. What types of sources should I use to help remove the rolls from the Kether Dnohue page that are listed under Annice Moriarty on other websites? I know IMDB id somewhat questionable. thanks 199.101.61.34 (talk) 13:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Generally, the standard at Wikipedia is shown at Reliable sources which discusses ways in which reliable sources are identified in general. The best thing is to find a good, general purpose reliable source, like something published in or broadcast by a major, well-respected news organization (the BBC, the New York Times, that sort of thing) where the fact you want to include is there.  Reliable sources are those with a reputation for fact checking and editorial control, and consistent effort to publish true things.  IMDB is a problem because much of it is unsourced user commentary and user additions.  Literally, anyone on IMDB can just change anything, and because of that it is generally not a great source.  If there's any other questions you have, please let us know.  If you have a specific question about a specific source, Reliable sources/Noticeboard is a good place to ask it.  -- Jayron 32 13:21, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok thank you, I plan on removing some items from Kether Donohue, the rolls that are listed under Annice Moriarty on several TV shows. I really don't want edit wars. thanks friend. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 13:24, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If such removals are based on your personal opinion, they'll be restored. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

They are not based on oppinions. and don't close discussions just like that. They are based on a lack of sources linking the two, something I believe you guys have gone after me for above. again, don't close because you don't understand. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 14:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What changes are you intending to make to that article? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess where I am coming from is an agreement of the above statements about IMDB, which appears to be the source that other websites use to link Annice Moriarty to Kether Donohue. I wish to remove some of the rolls from Kether Donohue that are actually credited to Annice Moriarty until somebody can find a reliable source stating that Donohue did the rolls and not Moriarty. That is where I am coming from this time around. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Just give me amoment and I will list them below, to help explain. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The following credits are credit to Annice Moriarty:
 * Skuld from Ah My Goddess
 * Candice
 * Chomp on Dinosaur King
 * Angela Rains from Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's

Now this isn’t to say that Donohue didn’t appear in any of those shows, in Kappa Mikey, a google books result I sourced links her to the roll of Ethel, not Lily, which again is an Annice Moriarty roll. Hope this helps. Thanks. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 14:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Also the source I get for Donohue voicing Ethel on KM is The Encyclopedia of American Animated Television page 332, which is viewable on google books. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Have you checked the actual movie credits? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon I know is Annice Moriarty because years ago somebody looked at the credits for me. how am I suppose dto see all credits if I am blind? same reason why I can't use the captcha systemto do inline citation.

199.101.61.34 (talk) 16:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Then recruit someone to read the credits for you. Or maybe there's a version with closed-captioning which includes the credits? (Though I wouldn't bet on it.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I know the Pokemon one for sure because the credits were read to me years ago, for the roll of Candice going to Annice Moriarty not Kether Donohue. She appears multiple times in the 12th season so it's not just one episode, and all of them were the same voice, Annice Moriarty (according to the credits) 199.101.61.34 (talk) 09:12, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Apart from all the Wikipedia arguments, are AM and KD two people or one person with a pseudonym? AM redirects to KD. The top few google searches for AM seem to say AM is a pseudonym for KD. Confused. -- SGBailey (talk) 17:15, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

The links between Moriarty and Donohue are simply voices. Nothing exists online that verifies that Moriarty is a pesudonym of Donohue's. This is leaving asside the flack Donohue, a Cuacasian woman would get for appropriating the African name of Annice. (which is pronounced as Ann-ni-say) I wish I could find you guys the baby book that we found that in. Either way I looked hard, in a lot of the time I had off from my trips, and could not find anything that links Moriarty to Donohue other than they have been in some of the same shows, and they have similar voices. You know how above I basically parodied this with the Harriet Owen thing? My basis of their voies being so much alike is the exact same basis (by the looks of it) that linked Donohue to Moriarty. Also I'm sure that Donohue would be aware of this, given the culturally sensitive times we are in, and given that she is from New York city, but do you really think if she dared use the name Annice, that the African-American community wouldn't go after her for appropriating that name? Now true, my basis of the origins of Annice are an old baby book I found and the fact that Annice Moriarty went to a few gaming convensions years ago (not as a special guest but as a guest). As for how I deduced Donohue's race, I thkn my sighted friends back in the UK for that. There' smore than just voice that needs to be factored in. It is would Donohue get black for using an African name? What official source links Donohue to Moriarty? I understand Wikipedia can only go by the official source tha tlinks the two, and I'm simply saying where is this source, because a lot of these anime sites use IMDB as their proof, but IMDB is unreliable. I can get Harriet to create a page for me, and say that I used the pseudonym of Andrew Nichols for acting in a movie, when in reality I didn't. Fabricating things on IMDB is really easy, because they mass-aprove things due to volume.

So until an official source can be found to link Donohue to Moriarty, we have to assume they are different people. That is illiminating the racial issues of a Caucasian using an African name like Annice. (moriarty's not African but Annice is). I brought that up because remember, multiple factors come into play here, with the main one being lack of sources appart from IMDB That appears to be the trunk of the tree, and a bad trunk. So until either I or somebody else can find an official reliable non-IMDB source that says Kether Donohue used the name Annice Moriarty, we must assume that Kether Donohue and Annice Moriarty are two different people who just happen to have similar voices. If I am supposed to assume that Harriet Owen and Sophie B. Hawkins are two different people even though their voices are similar enough, then why not do the same? What if what I saw on a page is correct (granted it is a wiki) that Annice Moriarty was born in SOutheastern Africa and moved to NY as a kid? We don't know, we just assumed that her and Kether Donohue were the same person due to voice, and because IMDB said it sites saw it as the truth, i guess? 199.101.61.34 (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we have established that IMDB is way more reliable than you are. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 21:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia can't use IMDB for pseudonym verification no more than it can use my anecdotes. Wikipedia can't use IMDB to say Annice Moriarty was used by Kether Donohue, it can say that Annice Moriarty was in this show under thsi roll, not that Annice Moriarty is really Kether Donohue. What's next, is youtube a reliable source? I never said my anecdotes are reliable, far from it. I am saying that IMDB is not reliable enough for that type of info. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 22:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

It's worth mentioning that this has happened with 4kids voice actors before, where two voice actors were previously believed to be one, Matthew Charles and Christopher Kromer. For a bit it was thought that one was a pseudonym of the other until something happened. also Another example is ow it turned out that Allyson Johnson (Agatha in Pokemon) and Kathleen Delaney (Rouge the Bat from Sonic 4kids era) turned out not to be Caren Lyn Tackett like was previously believed? I'm not sure how those got disproven but they did. Guess who listed Caren Lyn Tackett in those rolls that she turned out not to have done? It was IMDB. Only after the reveal that they aren't the same people did IMDB change it. wow, how strange. That is why I question the Annice Moriarty Kether Donohue thing. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 22:22, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's worth mentioning that you've been known as...


 * So let's not beat around the bush, shall we? 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 00:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * So let's not beat around the bush, shall we? 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 00:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * So let's not beat around the bush, shall we? 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 00:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * So let's not beat around the bush, shall we? 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 00:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you 2600. So born in Yemen or born in Papua New Guinea which is it? A history of trolling has been shown so I suggest this thread be closed as well. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:30, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Explain to me where this is coming form elsewhere please. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 01:25, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

I can see a similar range with a lot of them being the 199 range, but did you mess u pwith this 23 IP address? I mean yeah, only thing that guy appears to have in common with me is the blindness factor. As for the 199 guy, he's just anti American. I'll talk with Americans I'll do what not with them, but I can't speak to that guy. So please on my talkpage, I will get a section ready for this, explain where this is coming from. there you can do a huge exposé of sourts on me, and bring me in as som sort of troll, i guess? alright. 199.101.61.34 (talk) 01:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

I request this discussion be closed on the grounds of it not being the place for a massive exposé theory on my supposed past actions, even though I have no idea about said past actions from these other I pusers. Again we do have some things in common b(23 and I are blind, and i guess the 199 ones don't like Americans though I don't know what their reasoning is, they just appear anti-American). so can somebody please close it? thanks It's gotten way out of hand and is supposed to be how to verify pseudonyms of voice actors such as Kether Donohue whom nobody still has given me how they plan on verifying with Annice Moriarty 199.101.61.34 (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Need more info to be added
Hi, Can you please add music director details from 2010 onwards? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tamil_films_of_2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.81.5 (talk) 15:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have valid sourced info, you could do it yourself. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:54, 27 March 2019 (UTC)