Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2019 November 16

= November 16 =

production design credit for films
Wikipedia friends,

I am a production designer and set decorator (ER, High Fidelity, Shameless, Batwoman, et al) I've noticed when Wikipedia gives credits. . .it never mentions the production designer with the other main credits. ..

Directed by	Stephen Frears Produced by	Tim Bevan Rudd Simmons Screenplay by	D. V. DeVincentis Steve Pink John Cusack Scott Rosenberg Based on	High Fidelity by Nick Hornby Music by	Howard Shore Cinematography	Seamus McGarvey Edited by	Mick Audsley

But there is never a mention who designed the film. . .one of the three most important roles in creating the look of the film. . .director, DP and PD. . . the editor gets credited here. . watch a film and see the order the credits appear. . . .costume designer, editor, production designer, director of photography and then the director. . how do we rectify this?

Thanks very much,

Larry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lundy813 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That has to do with what's in (or is not in) the infobox film template. If you want changes to it, you could take it to the template talkpage and make your case. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:04, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * We don't IMO. The press doesn't give much (if any) attention to production designers, so we don't either. That's a function for IMDb. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Quote: "Special kind of stupid"
I have seen many images on Facebook, usually with Sam Elliot, but I cannot seem to find the original. Did Sam say this? Which movie was it? What was the stupid belief?

Star Lord -   星爵 (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The IMDB quotes list shows two places (both TV shows) where the words "special kind of stupid" were spoken: (1) in a 2008 episode of Rules of Engagement by Patrick Warburton as Jeff Bingham; and (2) in a 2014 episode of Arrow by Adrian Holmes as Frank Pike. Of course, not only is the quotes list not a reliable source (lots of entries, if you check them, turn out to have incorrect wording and were obviously submitted from memory), but it only includes a small part of each movie or TV show. The line may have been used a lot more times. --76.69.116.4 (talk) 04:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It was useful to know IMDB has a quote search. Star Lord -   星爵
 * Does it? I just downloaded the last stored version of the raw data file on the FTP server at FU Berlin where it used to be regularly made available until last year, and grepped in that file. --76.69.116.4 (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the graphic of Sam Elliot comes from The Big Lebowski, though I don't recall that line from the film (and there's no obvious match on the IMDb quote page). Matt Deres (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * This blog credits the phrase to a standup comedy act by Roseanne Barr "in the early 1980s". Alansplodge (talk) 20:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The same quote (at the expense of skinny women) is in the 1989 book, Stand-Up Comedy: The Book by Judy Carter (p. 61). Alansplodge (talk) 20:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This article says that the meme 'was created from two very different sources from an anonymous blogger online in 2014. The original idea though came from a screen shot of Sam Elliot as “The Stranger,” in the 1998 film, The Big Lebowski, but never once does anyone say, “You’re a special kind of stupid aren’t you?”'. Alansplodge (talk) 21:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "You're a special kind of stupid" is a phrase that long predates this meme or even its usage by Roseanne Barr. The meme in question simply marries this existing phrase to an image of a person with an expression that seems appropriate. --Khajidha (talk) 22:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh! I didn't realize it was a well-established phrase, but then, why wouldn't it be?  So let's try Google Books.  On a quick check using date-restricted searches, the earliest one I can find is from a 1989 book Stand-up Comedy: The Book by Judy Carter&mdash;in which she says, "Now, I've forgotten my mother's maiden name and my keys, but you've got to be a special kind of stupid to forget to eat."  --76.69.116.4 (talk) 07:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed, apart from the Roseanne quote, the earliest I could find was In the Shadow of the Gargoyle (1998) p. 188. All the other instances are post-2000. Alansplodge (talk) 11:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)