Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2020 October 9

= October 9 =

same or different bikini?
I noticed Halle Berry wore an orange bikini when she surfaced in Die Another Day. But when she dove from the fortress into the water, her bikini was pink. Is it the same or is it different?142.255.72.126 (talk) 14:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Pink and orange are generally considered different colors. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:41, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The bikini was coral, a colour which can look like a pinkish orange or orangey pink, and was meant to be a match for the paint job of the car her character drove in the film, based on a paint option on the car's original version and tied in to a limited edition of the then-current version. Any apparent changes in the film might have been because it was (obviously) wet when she surfaced, and dryer when she (or a stunt double?) dove back in (ignoring any differences in ambient/set lighting which may also have affected perception). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 16:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For any of those wishing to comment without actually knowing the reference, or the typical BB answer that is as helpful as a hammer made of Jell-O; here are the two clips: Die Another Day Movie CLIP - Jinx (2002) HD and Jinx's bikini jump into the water. Maineartists (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The OP asked if pink and orange are the same color, a question as useful as Jell-O. Thanks for providing the clips, in which it's clear the color is the same - kind of a coral color, as the IP pointed out and without lowering himself to conducting personal attacks on other users. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * First, they are not the same color in the least. The first is clearly orange, and the second is pink. Second, the OP asked: Is it (the bikini) the same (color ... in each clip) or is it (the bikini) different (color ... in each clip). Do you really think the OP came to the Entertainment Desk to ask if pink and orange are different colors? Nice try. Maineartists (talk) 19:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Allowing for different lighting, they're the same color. And the OP came here to ask for opinions. You have given yours too. Nice try. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, opinions are not what the desk is for, and the actual question is in the title. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the question is a request for an opinion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Old joke:
 * Mrs. A: My husband and I were arguing about this... (she gives the details)
 * Wise rabbi: You're right.
 * Mr. A: My wife and I were arguing about this... (he gives the details)
 * Wise rabbi: You're right.
 * Assistant Rabbi's wife: But you just gave them completely different answers! They can't both be right.
 * Wise rabbi: You're right.
 * In the same vein, I give up. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please.
 * You cannot possibly honestly believe that the question-asker came her to ask if pink and orange are the same color. Besides that not being a thing that any human would actually do, a plain reading of the question makes it clear that the subject of the question is the bikini.
 * ApLundell (talk) 02:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The section title agrees with ApLundell, as do I. —Tamfang (talk) 03:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * In RGB values, the ratio R : G is about 5 : 2 in both scenes as seen on YouTube, but whereas the B value is about half that of G in the first scene, it about the same as G in the second scene, so it is 5 : 2 : 1 versus 5 : 2 : 2. The difference may be due to the very different lighting. --Lambiam 22:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The visual key is Halle's skin tone. It's darker in the first clip, which suggests there was a lot of glare coming off the water, and they had to darken it down. Hence the bikini might look more orange-ish than it does in the second clip, in which her skin tone is lighter. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That may be, but she doesn't stay in the water throughout. She enters the cabana. Completely different "lighting" as you defend; and yet the bikini still stays orange. A quick google search: Halle Berry Bikini Bond, and every color reference is "orange". Far from the "coral" you first suggested. Plus, no one can argue ... the tops in both scenes are two completely different styles ... two completely different tops. Sorry. Colors or not. They are not the same bikinis. The first: orange - has one strap (same color) at the bottom. In the balcony dive: pink / coral (whatever), it is joined by 2 white straps. Maineartists (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you read the article about the film, linked by the OP? I quote:
 * "The eleventh-generation Ford Thunderbird was featured in the film as Jinx's car, with a coral colour paying homage to a paint option for the original model, and matching her bikini. Ford produced a limited-edition 007-branded 2003 Thunderbird as a tie-in for the film, featuring a similar paint job.[25]" [My italics]
 * As you say, the bikini in the second shot is slightly different in design and looks a little pinker than that in the first. The ambient lighting in the two shots is rather different, bright sunlight in the first, overcast in the second. I suspect the two were intended to look the same (because of the marketing tie-in), but colour matching with fabrics is notoriously difficult. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 10:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "No -- seriously, Honey; I'm doing research for the Wikipedia reference desk." --2606:A000:1126:28D:85EF:2BB7:24BE:1EF3 (talk) 01:06, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Smile_eye.png Maineartists (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The question then becomes whether they were intended to be taken as the same one. If so, then this qualifies as a continuity mistake. If not, then she changed somewhere along the way. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. Maineartists (talk) 02:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You're being about as helpful as a storm surge. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This desk isn't a place for debate. I wanted to clear up confusion on the bikini(s) Halle Berry wore.142.255.72.126 (talk) 07:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What conclusions have you drawn from the two clips posted? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * One bikini has straps which tie around her neck. The other bikini has straps connected to the lower back strap.142.255.72.126 (talk) 14:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Glad the clips could show the difference in design and not just color. I'm going to go nail in a surge storm. Maineartists (talk) 15:16, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Be sure to use Acme brand plywood. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:39, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Songs about running off scared from a bar
Although they're very different musically, the songs Come a Little Bit Closer and Gimme Three Steps share a lot of lyrical similarities: they're both narratives told from the first person POV, they both involve dancing with a woman at a bar, they both involve getting threatened by the woman's apparent "guy", and they both involve the protagonist very much choosing discretion over valor and rabbiting. While the fellow in G3S runs out the door, the guy in CALBC actually defenestrates himself. Are there other songs that fit this admittedly idiosyncratic mold? The closest I could think of was Bad, Bad Leroy Brown, though I wouldn't say it's quite close enough (it's third person POV and Leroy apparently stays and fights, albeit to his detriment). Matt Deres (talk) 16:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Uneasy Rider by The Charlie Daniels Band may fit the bill. No woman, though. Rmhermen (talk) 21:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There actually is a woman in the song, but there's no dancing with her. --Khajidha (talk) 13:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The sequel (Uneasy Rider '88) has dancing, but the lady turns out to be a transvestite. --Khajidha (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll check it out. Finding out your dance partner is not the sex you thought is a much more common trope in popular music than songs about running off scared. :) Matt Deres (talk) 22:07, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd be surprised if Kinky Friedman hasn't written or performed at least one song with this theme, but I'm much less familiar with his musical work than with his novels. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 06:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)