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= August 29 =

sports media in old sitcom
In the old sitcom Grapevine, one of the characters is a sports commentator. Which sports media outlet did he work with? Anyone remember?2603:7000:8101:8C98:F946:2E8D:4E43:FB2B (talk)
 * I never saw the show, but "sportscaster" would imply TV, or possibly radio. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:00, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * After watching some of it on YouTube (the things I do for Wikipedia), it seems "Thumper" Klein is just a general sportscaster, covering whatever sport needed "casting" at the time. He mentions at one point he was sent to cover a rodeo (not a lot of call for specialized rodeo sportscasters in Miami), he appears in a (deserted) football stadium, and he says he got the nickname because he hit tennis balls hard. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:27, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * According to our article Grapevine (TV series), in the 1992 version "Thumper ... worked for the CBS affiliate" – presumably meaning the Miami CBS affiliate (station WFOR-TV?).
 * Damn. I misread the OP's question. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sheesh I read "old sitcom" and I'm thinking 60s or 70s and then I do the math and a 92 sitcom is almost 30 years old :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:05, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

High, Wide and Handsome
What is the Oxford comma doing in the title of the article on the film High, Wide, and Handsome? Neither the poster shown in the article, nor the film's IMDB entry, have a comma after 'wide'. In my opinion, the article should be moved to get rid of that comma. --Viennese Waltz 15:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You are most likely correct. The definitive answer would be to see what the movie calls itself in its opening credits, which is the approach Leonard Maltin takes - though, oddly enough, I don't find this item in his book. Newspapers.com for 1937 shows that most, though not all, of the advertisements for it omit the second comma. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:38, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Bingo. The answer is: No second comma. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:43, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll put a note on the talk page proposing the move and will do it if no-one objects there. --Viennese Waltz 16:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Or you could just move it. The last comment on the talk page was posted in 2010. The guy who wrote it originally, with the extraneous comma, hasn't edited anything since 2013. Up to you. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * They done did it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I requested it :) --Viennese Waltz 18:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I saw. Jolly good. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ironically, an otherwise beautiful-looking delivery which just happens to be unhittable could be called "high, wide and handsome". :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Baseball, is an ejected player "out"?
In American baseball, if an umpire ejects a player that is on offense (such as at bat or on base), does that count as an out? Or is the player simply replaced and there is no out counted against the team? Thinking about Major Leagues, but is the rule different for Colleges? I did try Google but couldn't find it. RudolfRed (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Short answer: No. An ejected player is simply replaced by another player, and whatever the original player's situation was, remains as-is. Like if he's called out on a close play, and manages to get himself ejected, then he was "already" out. If he yells about a strike call while he's at bat and gets tossed, his replacement will assume the first player's count, unless it was already strike 3, of course, in which case, again, he was "already" out. You can think of an ejection as being the same thing as if the player was injured and had to be taken out. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply and the explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * One thing I'm wondering about is the same question, for cricket. That is, if a batsman is ejected, what happens? Does it count as a wicket down? Is there a substitution allowed? The cricket mavens here could take a whack at this one. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The relevant law of cricket is law 42, Players' conduct, although Laws of Cricket doesn't seem to have an article for that law as it does for law 41. See here, section 42.5, for the actual law. Short answer, yes, the batsman is out and no substitutions are allowed. --Viennese Waltz 18:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Cricket is very strict on substitutions by comparison with most sports. Even injured players can only be replaced for fielding purposes, not batting or bowling. I think the concern is that permitting substitutes will mean the sport would change from its bedrock position that everyone is expected to bat, no matter how feeble their batting skills. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 07:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That would make sense, as having to lose a fielder would give an advantage to the other team, while not allowing the substitute to bat reinforces the ejection. I gather that ejections in cricket are rather rare? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:15, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've never seen one - it's only been in the Laws since 2017 and I don't know if it's ever happened. I was referring more to players who are injured, who can't be replaced except for fielding. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 08:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In that sense, it's the same as in baseball, i.e. ejections are handled the same way as injuries. In baseball, a substitute batter is used in addition to a new fielder. There's also a rule that if a team is unable to field 9 players, they forfeit the game. A forfeit is one occasion when the whole team is "out". Thankfully, that's a rarity nowadays. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The answer is always 42. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:21, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Faster than you can say Jackie Robinson. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:27, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also to note in cricket that bad onfield behaviour is usually dealt with after the match, in the form of fines and/or demerit points. Get too many of the latter, will result in match bans. Here's the most recent example.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:12, 3 September 2021 (UTC)