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= February 19 =

Schubert D 850 interpretation
What exactly is meant by this legato marking, over a passage (start of the slow movement) marked with clear articulation that is evidently not a throughgoing legato?



Roy Howat somewhat cryptically remarks in that this needs to "be read more orchestrally"; I am not 100% sure what he means by this (maybe to make the phrasing clearer as a long line?). There's a similar occurrence in the first Entr'acte of Rosamunde (also by Schubert), as he points out. Double sharp (talk) 12:47, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm reminded of the instructions that Han Solo gives Chewbacca in The Return of the Jedi, when they were attempting to get past a security check point in a stolen ship: "Keep your distance Chewy... But don't look like you're trying to keep your distance... I don't know, fly casual or something..." -- Jayron 32 14:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * When I play this piece, I adopt the traditional approach to slurs. The first note/chord is accented slightly, the last one (in this case the second one) is detached slightly. Because the third note is staccato (which is more than a slight detachment), the slightly detached second note helps give the whole bar a typical Schubertian lilt, which almost belies the melancholy of the melody as a whole. That's the magic of Schubert: he can depict villagers dancing happily (but with a wistfulness) to sad music. What Howat means by reading it more orchestrally, I can only conjecture. Perhaps imagining it being played by strings, clarinet, oboe, cor anglais etc while playing it on the piano. More than anyone I know, Schubert is a visual composer: that is, I always have a scene in my mind's eye when I play his works; it's not something I have to conjure up first, it just comes along with the music. That sometimes applies with other composers, too, but it never fails with Schubert. --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * A review of a recording by Richard Goode contains this sentence: By contrast, minute adjustments to the basic pulse allow Goode to distinguish legato and detached phrasings in the Con moto while maintaining a sense of long line. In a review of a recital by Evgeny Kissin, written by Jay Nordlinger, the reviewer is less specific, writing: The “slow” movement of the sonata is a beautiful and clever creation, a great Schubert song, for one thing. I put “slow” in quotation marks because the movement is not exactly slow and is in fact marked “Con moto.” Kissin played it in an interesting, sensitive, and effective way. He was able to find a style between legato and detached. This is rare. --Lambiam 00:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all for the responses. I have found it quite hard before to make this sonata turn out convincing – maybe it will work better now. ;) Double sharp (talk) 15:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I see that our article on this sonata has a long and totally unsourced analytical section entitled "Themes/Motifs" that was added in February 2018 and tagged as OR shortly afterwards. Any reason not to remove it? AndrewWTaylor (talk) 17:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * None that I can think of. Double sharp (talk) 03:42, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

two masks are better than one
What superheroes / supervillains have used two or more masked personae simultaneously?

I'm not looking for Hank Pym, whose handle (and powers) changed several times; nor Moon Knight, who has multiple unmasked personae. —Tamfang (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * For a short time when Peter Parker was not being Spider-Man he used four separate costumed identities. These four identities were each later taken over by separate individuals, the four new heroes being collectively known as the Slingers. --Khajidha (talk) 23:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * More details here: https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-identity-crisis-marvel-ultimate-hero/ --Khajidha (talk) 23:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Do shapeshifters such as J'onn J'onzz count? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Tony Stark has used multiple Iron Man suits. Sometimes literally at the same time (via remote control or AI) and sometimes just swapping back and forth for different uses. They were all "Iron Men", so I guess they were all the same persona, albeit literally different masks. I'm not sure it's what you're looking for, but there are multiple instances of bad guys (and some good guys) infiltrating the other side and therefore having to don another identity. Matt Deres (talk) 22:21, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Special case there would be the Thunderbolts. Matt Deres (talk) 22:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I recall on the TV series The Lone Ranger, he would sometimes wear a disguise, typically a fake mustache and beard, with the upper half of his face exposed; and use a fake voice. Since no one except Tonto knew what his full face looked like, it worked. (On TV, anyway.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The Phantom was curious. When traveling abroad as Mr Walker* (*for Ghost who Walks), he'd rug up no matter the weather, and wear shades to hide the fact he was wearing a mask. Doug butler (talk) 05:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)