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= February 9 =

NFL terms
In the video clip https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1353473382738628609 what is the meaning of "3rd & 2". I understand it is the 4th quarter of the game. The 3rd down. I don't understand the "2" of "3rd [down] & 2"

Help please.--2601:C4:C300:1BD0:59B7:608F:F2E5:4AC2 (talk) 01:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * See down (gridiron football). It means that if they gain 2 yards, that will be enough to earn another first down. --142.112.149.107 (talk) 02:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * It's short for "3rd down and 2 yards to go to get a first down." If you hear something like "3rd and goal" or "3rd and goal to go" it's short for "3rd down and goal line to get a first down, which would be a touchdown." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much.--2601:C4:C300:1BD0:59B7:608F:F2E5:4AC2 (talk) 02:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm shocked that someone who geolocates to Georgia wouldn't be a football expert. :) Other things you might hear are "3rd and long" or "3rd and short", which mean "longer or maybe much longer than 10 yards" and "shorter and maybe much shorter than 10 yards" to the next first down. Obviously, you can hear those things on any of 4 downs. 3rd down often comes up because it's the last good chance to get the first down, as 4th down (especially 4th and long) typically compels a punt. Also obviously, first down is typically "1st and 10", though if one team or the other commits a penalty it can become "1st and 15" or "1st and 5", for example. If all that is too much information, ignore it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You funny cutie. All good info. Thanks.--2601:C4:C300:1BD0:59B7:608F:F2E5:4AC2 (talk) 03:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * To clarify a bit (i hope), "nth and goal" happens when the first down was within 10 yards of the goal line; from there you can't make another first down without making a touchdown. —Tamfang (talk) 09:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * In Canadian football, which is a better game, there are only three downs. Hayttom (talk) 17:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Better than soccer, for sure. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

WWE Themes
How & where can I find a listing of wrestler theme songs (singles) that WERE on WWE Music Group discography AS WELL AS newer song/singles that have been released after it/they have/had been removed from said page? 2600:1702:3860:D290:30DF:13D2:8B04:21E (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If you look at the "History" tab for that article, you can view any past version. RudolfRed (talk) 16:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That is NOT what I asked! How, EXACTLY, does an “any past version” answer/resolve what I was asking?  Furthermore, what part of “as well as newer song/singles that have been released after it/they have/had been removed from said page” do you not understand?  Therefore, that is COMPLETRLY USELESS to me! 2600:1702:3860:D290:D548:D180:7838:DEE6 (talk) 04:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You asked for items that WERE on that page. Rudolf's response is the answer to that question. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK, I see the game you want to play….I had emphasized “WRRE” because I was referencing the PREVIOUS section THAT WAS REMOVED. However I had ALSO stated “as well as newer song/singles” that was completely ignored in that response!  I’ll capitalize that (too) to make you happy…. 2600:1702:3860:D290:EC8D:C620:27FC:E9D4 (talk) 13:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

(T) in TV schedules
In British newspapers, the television schedules often have (T) after the name of the programme. What does this stand for? rossb (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * According to this: it means "teletext", a form of subtitles.  -- Jayron 32 17:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Presumably this is historical; the final incarnation of teletext died last year, and all Freeview channels now have subtitles on nearly all their output.  Alansplodge (talk) 19:21, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Is this subtitling any different from Closed captioning? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure this is a sort of genericized trademark deal, or similar, in the sense that "Teletext" is a specific kind of "text via TV broadcast" system whose name got applied in the UK to mean any similar sort of system. My impression by reading the document I cited above is that the term is used to mean the sort of things that Americans would call "closed captioning", but I'm willing to be set straight by someone who is more familiar.  -- Jayron 32 12:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Teletext was a generic name for the standard (I'm not sure how "proprietary" it was); individual channels had their own brand name for it: Ceefax for the BBC and Oracle for ITV and Channel 4. It wasn't just for closed captioning (which we call "subtitling") but provided other services such as news, weather, programme listings etc. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * See also The Teletext Museum. Alansplodge (talk) 12:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If it's the same as on this side of the pond, it means that the programme has optional closed captioning/subtitles for those with hearing difficulties. The subtitles are delivered through the teletext system. The user can select a particular teletext page, which has the subtitles, and superimpose it on the programme. The teletext subtitles were kept for a while after the rest of the teletext system was shut down. I don't know the current status. Over here, all television is digital nowadays, which, I assume, has new ways of providing optional subtitles. PiusImpavidus (talk) 15:31, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The very last analogue terrestrial television in the United Kingdom was turned off on 24 October 2012. Alansplodge (talk) 12:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The page used for teletext subtitles in the UK is (or was: I watch very little TV nowadays, so I don't know if this is still the case) 888. Typically, for a few seconds at the start of any programme marked with (T) in a TV schedule, "888" would be shown in the top right corner of the screen.
 * (Somewhat off-topic anecdote: Back in the day I was something of a teletext enthusiast, and for some reason I always used to watch programmes with the subtitles turned on, even though I had the sound on as well. I noticed that UK subtitles had several little "conventions", irrespective of channel or programme: non-verbal sounds would be indicated by capital letters, e.g. LAUGHTER; sung words or phrases would be preceded by #; and sarcasm would be signified by (!).  I wonder if other countries' subtitles had similar conventions?  And were there any others?)  Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  00:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * In the USA, some conventions for closed captioning for the hearing impaired are that off-screen voices are indicated by italic text, and singing is indicated by an eighth note (🎵) at the beginning and often at the end of each sung line. Non-verbal sounds are expressed in parentheses. We don't have a convention regarding all-capital text, because originally closed captions were shown in all capitals anyway. I don't think we have a convention for sarcasm. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)