Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2021 January 30

= January 30 =

Transgression in Games and Play
Does anyone have access to, or a copy of, the academic book Transgression in Games and Play by Faltin Karlson and Kristine Jørgensen, specifically its seventh chapter "Queering Games, Play, and Culture through Transgressive Role-Playing Games" by Tanja Sihvonen and Jaakko Stenros? I need it as a cite in a draft; previously the information I needed was available on Google Books, but the preview has rotated around to one that cuts off before the relevant part, and the Discord server turned up a blank. I only need a fairly short section (half a paragraph or so), so can do with a quote of the relevant part. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 13:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * If nobody here is able to help, you could try WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Role-playing games, which seems to be quite active. Alansplodge (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * But if it's a problem with the new version of Google Books (which seems a lot less useful to me), there's a button in "Settings" which says: "Go back to classic Google Books".  Alansplodge (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Can you give a hint how to recognize the relevant part? (I can see all pages of Chapter 7, 116–129, of the 2019 MIT edition: ISBN 978-0-262-03865-2.) --Lambiam 17:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! It should be the paragraph starting with something along the lines of (I'm recalling from memory) the "infamous" or "strongly negatively reviewed" game, with a cite to a review by Darren MacLennan and Jason Sartin quoted as being from 2009 (the date in the book is actually inaccurate, but that's what you'll see). Vaticidalprophet (talk) 02:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Can you tell us what you're working on? It sounds like it must be pretty interesting. Temerarius (talk) 20:26, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Here is the full paragraph:
 * From the 1990s on, sourcebooks started to flirt more openly with sexuality. Some of the edgiest sourcebooks offered hooks for fairly outrageous material, such as “the fourteen inch barbed penis” that Brown’s (2013) group discusses. Yet most RPG sourcebooks do not include any queer content, and even the supplements on fantasy sexuality tend to be quite tame (Stenros and Sihvonen 2015). An obvious exception is the infamous and ridiculed (cf. MacLennan and Sartin 2009) 900-page sourcebook for the role-playing game F.A.T.A.L. (Anonymous 2003), which contains rules for rape and has magic items for impregnation, anal rape, and public masturbation. Even so, it does show that in private RPGs the standards of conduct can be very different and that Apperley’s characterization of “playing with one’s own shit” is at least at times fairly accurate. Such play is interpreted as transgressive only when it becomes public.
 * This is on page 128. BTW, I did not get the ping since my handle was misspelled. --Lambiam 20:41, 31 January 2021 (UTC)