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What punishment for these occurrences?
I don't follow soccer, but I saw this news report saying that "UEFA has charged the English Football Association with three offences" for some highly inappropriate things done by English fans. My question is: assuming that the offenses occurred as charged, what punishment might the FA face over them? Just curious. --174.94.31.124 (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This page lists a number of sanctions that UEFA has given to clubs and national football associations for racist behaviour among fans. Not the same as what happened the other night at Wembley, but it gives you an idea of what sanctions are available to them – fines, having to play future games without having fans in the stadium, being docked points in future tournaments, etc. --Viennese Waltz 06:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * In 2008, Lyon had to pay $5,000 for “incidents of an unsporting nature” after a fan aimed a laser pen at Cristiano Ronaldo during a Champions League match against Manchester United.  Alansplodge (talk) 11:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Am I correct in figuring that the purpose of these fines is to try to persuade clubs and leagues to rein in hooligan behaviors? The closest I can think of is baseball, where an unruly crowd can lead to a home team forfeiting a game. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Primarily, yes, although there are also the lesser hopes that (a) people thinking of carrying out such acts might be deterred by the knowledge that the team they presumably love may suffer, and (b) if they begin such behaviour, fans around them might be more motivated to stop them and report them to the stewards and/or police. Just to be clear, while bad/racist language is unfortunately still not uncommon (though thankfully often inaudible), overt assaults on the players, by lasers or more material objects, are now quite rare. Throwing coins at goalkeepers happened routinely "when I were a lad" (i.e. half-a-century or more ago).
 * Of course WHAA: see Football hooliganism. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.73.120 (talk) 17:56, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Fans threw batteries at a player in the top baseball league in the 1990s for betraying them but this kind of thing wasn't common by then. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, folks. --174.94.31.124 (talk) 18:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * As a late follow-up, and : the Football Association has now been fined 30,000 euros (£26,600) for these three incidents. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.73.120 (talk) 15:36, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * And thanks again. --174.94.31.124 (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Fining them over booing seems excessive. But the laser thing is no laughing matter. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As the BBC news article says, "prior to kick-off there was some booing heard during the Danish national anthem", so it wasn't booing per se that was the problem. (There had been booing by England fans of the opponents' anthems in previous games.) AndrewWTaylor (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Why is that anybody else's business? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This is not a forum for opinions, even if they're right. --174.94.31.124 (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * To put it another way, I would like an explanation of why booing a national anthem is punishable. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Because it is considered to be crass, rude and disrespectful, perhaps? --Viennese Waltz 19:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No doubt it is. But why is it punishable? Who's harmed? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What if the countries hated each other? So not like England and Denmark. If they can boo and insult non-racially for $0 without assaulting it might be cathartic. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Matches between teams who are official representatives of their nations, officially recognised and sponsored by those nations' respective governments (and sometimes attended by royalty and/or high-ranking government officials), are an aspect of international relations, which (in Europe, at any rate) are thought to deserve and require a degree of dignity and mutual respect. Other continents may differ.
 * Further, failing to discourage such crassly disrespectful behaviour by one set of fans towards the other set present in the stadium might tacitly encourage further acts, and retaliations, potentially escalating (either at the particular event or over the course of several matches) into active violence between the two. In the past, such violence both within and outside stadia has resulted in injuries and deaths, as well as extensive property damage. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.73.120 (talk) 23:29, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right, it'd probably inflame tensions more often than it'd let fans vent. Especially since there seem to be more fan-on-fan assaults in soccer stadia than handegg/hockey/rugby/basketball/baseball/Olympics for some reason. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

A New Legacy
I ask this following question on Teahouse and was told to ask on this page

“Watching the tailer for Space Jam: A New Legacy it seams to be more animated then first thought does anyone know if it is animted or live action animated the definition use on the highest grossing animated films page” Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)