Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2021 October 17

= October 17 =

cultural icons in Olympics
I know some Maneki-neko was featured during Tokyo 2020. But were any also featured during Nagano 1998, Sapporo 1972 and Tokyo 1964?2603:7000:8100:6D5:F077:2E08:6ED0:9063 (talk) 06:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Nagano used Sukki, Nokki, Lekki and Tsukki. I cannot find any information on icons or mascots used during the Sapporo or Tokyo games.  -- Jayron 32 16:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What do icons have to do with Olympic mascots?2603:7000:8100:6D5:412:4DDE:E611:E730 (talk) 11:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Everything. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought that was what you were asking about. -- Jayron 32 16:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Presumably "icon" in the modern sense of a representative symbol or emblem, rather than a devotional painting. Alansplodge (talk) 18:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A search through the mascots leads me to surmise that some were based on preexisting cultural icons and some became cultural icons after the Olympics where they were used. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Waldi was the first official mascot in the history of the Olympic Summer Games. He is a dachshund, a very popular animal in Bavaria, famed for its endurance, tenacity and agility. See Munich 1972 - The Mascot. Alansplodge (talk) 16:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Goldilocks
Why on Earth is Goldilocks in the Lord of the Rings? Is she meant to be the same character as in the fairy story? SpinningSpark 14:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Reviewing the subject in Google, it appears she got that name because of her blonde hair - the same reason that the fairy tale character was called Goldilocks. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that The Shire is roughly modeled on an idyllic English countryside (The Lord of the Rings was part of Tolkien's attempt to create a mythos for the English people in the same way that other European ethnicities such as the Greeks, the Norse, etc. had a mythos; a pantheon of Gods, great epics, etc. that England lacked). You can see this at The Shire.  Many of the words (people's names, place names, government officials) are either taken directly from native English place names or modeled linguistically after them.  It is unsurprising that he would use a name like "Goldilocks" for one of his characters, given the fact that it is a basic native English word meaning "blond haired".  -- Jayron 32 16:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Perp, alias "Goldilocks", wanted for burglary and theft. Believed to have fled to her family in The Shire. Approach with caution. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The use of "goldilocks" in the common names for various flowers having yellow heads (not just the goldilocks buttercup) predates the use of the name Goldilocks for these fictional characters.
 * Also makes sense then given that she's a descendent of Sam the Gardener (Samwise Gamgee), whose family had a penchant for such names. -- Jayron 32 12:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Flower names were very commonly given to hobbit girl-children. Sam's wife, Rose Cotton, Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, and even Sam's daughter Elanor (which is Sindarin, the name of a flower Sam had seen in Lothlorien) are familiar from LOTR. Deor (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It may be worth pointing out that Tolkein - who was clearly insane - wrote the LOTR as a translation of the mythos he was writing. For example, Samwise Gamgee was not Sam's actual name, but only a translation of his Westron name, Banazîr Galbasi. Likewise, Goldilocks would not have been the name used by the characters within their own fictional historical universe, but only a modern translation of whatever the name "actually" was. (her "real" name, so far as I know, is not given). Matt Deres (talk) 14:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Apparently, she does have a Sindarin name though – "Glorfinniel" . So if anyone knows how to translate Sindarin into Westron... SpinningSpark 16:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * She didn't "have a Sindarin name"; Glorfinniel is just a translation of her name into (one of Tolkien's early forms of) Elvish and, of course, just means "gold-locks" (for a female). A male equivalent is the Noldor name Glorfindel. Deor (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Amazingly, only one Elf in all the ages had that nickname. —Tamfang (talk) 02:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah, only one notable enough for a Wikipedia article! Tolkien probably knew lots of them but he was clearly following the Ardan version of WP:N by not telling their stories. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 07:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There are two actually, Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell, unless they're the same character, which isn't really clear. Adam Bishop (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Glorfindel: "In later writings, Tolkien explored Glorfindel's backstory in various material relating to the First Age of Middle-earth, and worked out how both characters named Glorfindel are one and the same ..." As with Gandalf, Tolkien gave him a mulligan. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tolkien's writing style is distinctly historic in the sense that it feels like he's explaining the actual facts about a world that already exists. In reality, as a work of fiction, it changed and morphed over the years through his many stories and drafts.  Many events in The Hobbit, for example, had to be retconned to account for inconsistencies with his later-written Lord of the Rings.  The Hobbit discusses this.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 16:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Master's world record?
Today, Sandra Morchner ran Hamburg half Marathon in 1:15:13, which is considered german record in age class W50, https://www.leichtathletik.de/news/news/detail/75639-regensburger-doppelsieg-und-deutsche-bestleistungen-bei-halbmarathon-dm-in-hamburg. This would be faster than hitherto world record of 1:15:18 by Linda Somers from 2011, according https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_masters_world_records_in_road_running#Half_Marathon_2.

Can this Morchner run be considered new world record W50, or is there still an official recognition process necessary? Rosenkohl (talk) 18:21, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It needs to be recognized by the governing body World Masters Athletics and then written about in a published reliable source so you can cite it RudolfRed (talk) 01:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * According to List of masters world records in road running it would be Association of Road Racing Statisticians for half marathon. If they recognize it then they will presumably publish it and it can be added. Road running has route requirements to avoid easy races. I don't know whether the Hamburg half Marathon qualifies. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)