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= September 17 =

Help at the Mack Sennett article
This question Talk:Mack Sennett has come up. If anyone has a subscription to the NYT and could check his obit to see if it matches the Britannica info then the article can be fixed. Your help will be appreciated. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Try asking at WP:RX for access to sources. RudolfRed (talk) 02:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Looking at items in Newspapers.com (pay site), the AP report is that he was born Michael Sinnott, in Deville, Quebec. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bugs. Yikes, That is a city that hasn't come up before. After an IPs post at the thread we may have a - the town at birth had a name change or was absorbed into another town through the years. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In Google Maps I couldn't find a town called Deville in Quebec. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The only other reference to a Deville in Quebec which I could find in Newspapers.com was in the obit of a train engineer, George Arthur Byrd, who died in Massachusetts in 1941. It says he was born in Deville, Quebec, in 1859. In his early 20s, he was working on a train in Richmond, Quebec - which, according to the article, was formed in 1999 by a merger of "old" Richmond and the city of Melbourne, Quebec. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) In Google Maps I couldn't find a town called Deville in Quebec. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The AP article actually says Denville, Quebec, which also doesn't exist. However, Danville, Quebec claims him as one of its own. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The UPI obituary also says Denville, though it gives his birth name as Mickall Sinnott. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Radio-Canada (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation), The Canadian Encyclopedia (or at least "Mikall Sinnott"), Le Journal de Montréal and the British Film Institute all agree he hailed from Danville. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also La Presse. They seek him here, they seek him there. Those editors seek him everywhere. Was he from Richmond, was he from Danville? That damned elusive Mack Sennett. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The AP article I ran across, for Nov 6, 1960, says Deville. That was in the New York Daily News. However, most (though not all) other versions in other papers on the same day say Denville. It's worth noting that Danville is less than 10 miles from Richmond. It's also worth noting that Danville is cited in several Canadian newspapers reporting his death. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * In his autobiography, Sennett writes, "I was born in Richmond, province of Quebec, on St. Anthony's Day, January 17, 1880." Many books sources report him, though, as hailing from Danville. --Lambiam 09:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Many thanks to everyone for their help and time in researching this. This thread WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request also found Danville. You efforts will help in fixing the article. I'm not quite sure how to handle the Danville?Denville/Richmond aspect of things yet but I do appreciate your work. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 14:48, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we can safely conclude that it's "Danville" rather than the other spellings. It's also possible Sennett was born in the nearby town of Richmond, even if he "came from" Danville. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point Bugs. This has come up many times over the years in various articles. The place where a person was physically born can be different from where their parents lived at the time of birth. Thanks. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 14:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Many people are born in medical facilities outside of their home, and if there is not such a medical facility in the city they live in, they may well be likely born in a different city they first lived in.  For example, the town I grew up in (Hudson, New Hampshire) has no hospital or birthing center.  Most people who have children that live in Hudson will give birth in a nearby city, such as Nashua, Manchester, or Lowell.  There would be very few people who have a birthplace of Hudson.  -- Jayron 32 17:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sennett describes himself as "a Canadian farm boy with no education". His parents, or at least his mother, had a farm in Danville: During some of 1935 and 1936, Sennett had returned to Danville, Quebec, on several occasions to visit and stay with his mother on her farm. His father ran a small hotel in Richmond.

Film battles with mutual annihilation + final showdown duel
I'm looking for films where the good and bad forces (or whoever the rival factions are) kill each other in a final battle - which only their leaders survive for the ultimate showdown duel (either one-sided, or mutually lethal). An example is Von Richthofen and Brown where both flying squadrons wipe each other before Von Richthofen's and Brown's concluding dogfight. I'm sure there are many other examples, but they don't come to my mind. Once Upon a Time in the West's final duel is not exactly an example, as Harmonica was not the leader of the men who mutually exterminated with Frank's men before. --KnightMove (talk) 09:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Excalibur (film), where King Arthur and Mordred kill each other in a final battle. Alansplodge (talk) 10:48, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Highlander perhaps, with the final showdown between the two last Highlanders, Connor MacLeod and the Kurgan. -- Jayron 32 12:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Peace on Earth (film). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * It's a bit more complicated than that, but perhaps Gangs of New York qualifies? Matt Deres (talk) 16:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Do sides of two vs two count? There's The Challenge. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Slightly larger body count with The Love War. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There were no survivors in the final survival match of Survivor Series (1996). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * TV Tropes is useful for this. Start from Showdown at High Noon and Final Battle. --Error (talk) 10:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Schedule Archive Sources
Hello, i'm new here and i've been attempting to document the Phineas and Ferb airings on Toon Disney in order to confirm episode premiere dates on the channel, due to the fact that the current documentation on that is quite poor. Currently, i'm missing the following days (all in 2008): September 3, 22 - 25; October 1 - 4; and some in November 2008 and January 2009. The sources i've already used are Zap2it, TVGuide and Toon Zone archives.

Does anyone know of any other sources i could use for this? PnFNerd (talk) 11:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Try the misleadingly named IMDb's season 1 episode list. The season 2 list doesn't, however, show anything airing in January 2009. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:28, 20 September 2021 (UTC)