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= December 10 =

Actor (or Voice Actor) born "January 17, 1952" years active: "1967-present"
There was an actor or a voice actor on Wikipedia I saw a long time and a while ago with a wikipedia page born "January 17, 1952," and his "years active" on it said "1967-present (1967–present)," but now I can't find the name of the actor, I thought I ask this question so that other Wikipedia admins would direct message me on here. Yes, I had the guy's birthday in my head right, he had either a 2020 or 1 picture of him that looked like he was either sitting at his computer and possibly doing a zoom meeting or something else on Wikipedia, plus he's fully American, I can't remember his name, but I know he's a male person, if anyone has that information, feel free to let know in the comments below. Alexkrzywicki1 (talk) 01:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The closest I can find is Beau Weaver, born January 19, 1952. --Lambiam 07:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That seems to fit, having started his career at 15. I didn't see a source for the birth date. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is indeed, indeed it is. Alexkrzywicki1 (talk) 16:26, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, I knew I was missing something, but Beau Weaver is the one I was looking for, I appreciate you finding it for me. Alexkrzywicki1 (talk) 16:26, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can figure out the date discrepancy. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:32, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Incorrect recall? --Lambiam 21:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Is this plot device/trope ever used anywhere else?
In the final arc of Attack on Titan, a hyperbolically evil world compels the main protagonist to resort to mass killing (in this case, a global genocide of all other nations) in self-defense. Is this plot device or trope used in other fictions? If there is already a TV Tropes page for this, please be sure to give a link. Of course, I have already asked this question on that website a while ago but no answer was forthcoming. StellarHalo (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess Adrian Veidt in Watchmen might qualify, although "self-defense" doesn't quite describe his motivation. CodeTalker (talk) 08:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this like what happens to Ender in Ender's Game, where the main character is essentially tricked into committing genocide on the Formics? Not sure if there is a TV Tropes page on it, but there is at least another data point.  -- Jayron 32 14:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In TV Tropes it is a Genocide Dilemma if the protagonist considers doing it but also how bad it is, and Final Solution if it is actually done (in any case, remember that TV Tropes is a wiki, so it can't be used as a reference here). And for the future, the site has its own section for those questions in Trope finder. Cambalachero (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In a novel by Michael Moorcock the protagonist wipes out his own people, the Mabden. The existence of other examples would not shock me. —Tamfang (talk) 02:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the Time War (Doctor Who) involves the Doctor wiping out his own race? -- Verbarson talkedits 14:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)