Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2022 January 9

= January 9 =

1651 music notation
I'm digitizing an old book, and I have some questions about this score: Wikisource:Page:The_English_Dancing_Master-John_Playford-1651.pdf/8


 * Are the things like struck-thru fermatas, in this piece always over a dotted wholenote + wholenote pattern, really fermatas? It's a dance tune.
 * While the note names are clearly as on a bass clef, the actuall clef is some archaic C clef apparently typographically aligned to point to the space under the center line of the staff (on other pages too). THis is indeed where indeed the C would go. Any idea what this clef is called or how I should show it in Lilypond markup?
 * I'm having trouble replicating the barring of the original; I've got the functionality to remove all bar divisions, but I can't figure out how to selectively replace some, and do the odd double bar at the end (nor am I sure what that means).

I have had a hunt for this information and can't find it. If the Wikisource Scriptorium would be a beter place to ask, say so, and I'll ask there. HLHJ (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Or perhaps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music theory. Not only is the pattern of the struck-thru fermate dotted wholenote + wholenote, but both have each time the same pitch, and the fermata or whatever it is, is positioned symmetrically over the dot. A modern fermata is positioned over the notehead. Another observation is that the "pupil" of the fermata (?) sign is not round, as is standard (see e.g. here), but has the same rotated-square shape as the noteheads. --Lambiam 00:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * So these modern versions of the scores render it as a tie. And looking through carefully, I know one of the tunes, and that is what it sounds like. Tie (music) does not mention this notation, and I'd like to find a confirming source anyway. You're right, I should post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music theory, I didn't know of that forum. HLHJ (talk) 03:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This was quite nicely continued at Project Music Theory. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 19:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)