Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2023 August 25

= August 25 =

Tony Allen and the Champs
Hello, I wondered why this doo-wop musician doesn't have any information on Wikipedia - https://tims.blackcat.nl/messages/tony_allen.htm

Another source here https://secondhandsongs.com/artist/185842

His music seems enduringly popular (e.g. 1.6M plays of this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kOm4hSPLJd4)

Thank you! ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 23:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Why? Because (probably) no-one's thought of it before, and everything's done by volunteers – there's no professional Wikipedia editorial staff assigning tasks.
 * Wikipedia only summarises what has already been written about a subject at some length in published, reliable (competently edited) sources independently of that subject that demonstrate their Notability (which on Wikipedia means "well-documented", not "important" – see in particular Notability (music)). Sources that are user-generated (like, ironically, Wikipedia itself), are not considered reliable.
 * Your first link has much useful information, if it can be verified, but it stems from a user-generated Yahoo group which is almost certainly not reliably edited. Your second is a valid reference that the subject recorded a particular song, but does nothing to establish the artist's notability, and the third likewise.
 * (YouTube videos are only reliable sources for notability if they are on the channel of an independent (of the subject) reputable organisation, like a professional News channel or respectable news journal, or of a recognised expert in the relevant field.)
 * If good sources do exist for this artist (and they don't have to be online – printed books and magazines are fine if they could in theory be consulted in, say, a public library) a viable article would possible and welcome. I think it likely that an artist born 1932 will have such sources – no WP:TOOSOON here!
 * I suggest you look for more sources (not just online) and then begin a Draft using WP:Your first article. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)