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= February 19 =

John Wick retro styling
One of the John Wick movies is on the teevee right now, and all the stuff in the fancy headquarters is done in a retro, maybe 1940's styling. That style is too modern to be steampunk, it's obviously not cyberpunk, but it seems like it should have some kind of label (even if not containing -punk) connected to it. Does anyone know if there is such a label? Thanks. 2601:648:8200:990:0:0:0:756C (talk) 02:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I haven't watched any of the John Wick films, but the 1930s-1940s genre is dieselpunk.
 * -- Error (talk) 23:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that is what I wanted, or anyway pretty close. Brazil (1985 film) is another movie using a similar style.  Thinking a little further, I'd put John Wick at more like the 1960's (multiline telephones with those square pushbuttons on the bottom) to 1980s (they use Commodore VIC 20 computers!)  No idea if that has a name too.  The thing is, the crime syndicate intentionally uses all this retro stuff.  The outside world still has cell phones and everything.  2601:648:8200:990:0:0:0:756C (talk) 23:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen John Wick in a long time, so I can't comment on that movie's style. However, after dieselpunk (and subset decopunk) comes atompunk (more here). Atompunk is quite different from dieselpunk, though: bright colours, swooping shapes, etc. Brazil's tech is more like steampunk, but Gilliam's overwhelming cynicism gives it a grittier feel than is typical. These *punk derivatives are mostly about aesthetic, but movies also have mood, setting, story types, etc. that complicate fitting them into a single niche. Matt Deres (talk) 02:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * With John Wick, it's more doyoufeelluckypunk. Clarityfiend (talk) 16:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * John Wick can be considered a Neo-noir film. The headquarter scenes always struck me as suddenly more Film noir compared to the rest. Alien878 (talk) 07:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Sampras
While I understand that the question may be better suitable for Languages section, Pistol Pete is an enduring sporting icon. My Greek is beyond terrible, but I noticed that Antetokounmpo is pronounced as Adetokumbo. Does this mean that Greeks would pronounce the former surname as Sábras? Splićanin (talk) 04:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Before Pete Sampras, there was Pete Maravich, known as "Pistol Pete", who made the nickname famous. Sampras is a native Greek name, which Antetokounmpo is not - which probably explains why the pronunciation does not match the spelling. Not the case for Pete. Xuxl (talk) 15:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "Pistol Pete" was made famous by Sampras, not Maravić. Surely there couldn't have been second Pistol Pete if the first were firmly in control of the nickname. Splićanin (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The existence of this page suggests that the nickname is not firmly controlled by any particular person. Shells-shells (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that cowboy name originated in the late 19th century. And to argue that Maravich did not make the nickname Pistol Pete "famous" is dubious at best. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A native Greek speaker is likely to voice the ⟨π⟩ in Σάμπρας; compare the pronunciation of αμπραγιάζ. It is unclear if they would produce an audible ; compare the pronunciation  of ζέμπρα. The speaker might not even understand the question whether the name is pronounced  or ; they may not realize these sound different to English ears.  --Lambiam 00:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It may be worth mentioning that in modern Greek β is pronounced /v/, so μπ is used to represent the /b/ sound in some native words but especially in loan words and foreign names – hence ζέμπρα for a zebra and Μπομπ for the nickname Bob. Lambiam's general point seems valid to me. Deor (talk) 15:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point. Thank you. Splićanin (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The assertion by that the nickname "Pistol Pete" was made famous by Sampras instead of Marovich is wrong. Both were well known by that nickname, but Marovich came first, and NBA stars are more widely known by hundreds of millions of people that tennis players are. Cullen328 (talk) 06:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Very much [citation needed] on that one. Certainly in Europe, a top tennis player is way more likely to be known than an NBA player. Basketball is a minor niche sport in Europe, and many other parts of the world, whereas tennis is a major televised sport. I would say it's your assertions that's wrong. Fgf10 (talk) 07:50, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

How many Pistol Petes have there been after Sampras? Thank you and have a nice day. Splićanin (talk) 10:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The original Pistol Pete continues to be the Oklahoma State University mascot. Sampras started his career in 1990, two years after Maravich had died. Sampras' career ended in 2002. Looking at Newspapers.com from 2003 to date, there are more than twice as many references to Pistol Pete Maravich as there are to Pistol Pete Sampras. I also Googled "Pistol Pete". Between Maravich and Sampras, guess which one comes up first. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Pete Maravich was well-known as Pistol Pete before Sampras was born. He may not be known to you, but then again, you don't get to decide who was already well known to other people.  -- Jayron 32 13:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll sketch it for you in very simple terms since you seem to struggle with letting go when wrong: there had been numerous Pistol Petes before Sampras and none ever since. Splićanin (talk) 01:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's you who seems to struggle with letting go of your false premise. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There is also a false premise here that what must hold true in the US must automatically hold true elsewhere. It is entirely possible that Pistol Pete is more likely to mean the basketball player in the US and other areas where basketball is a big sport and the tennis player in areas where tennis is a bigger sport. Fgf10 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Before jumping to that conclusion, it would be useful to find out who dubbed Sampras "Pistol Pete" and why. It would not be surprising if American sportswriters, invoking the then-recent memory of Maravich, copied that nickname for Sampras. I was in error about 1990. Sampras' career began in 1988, the same year Maravich died. And Sampras was American. All three characters called Pistol Pete were American. So it's very likely that each was nicknamed for the previous one(s). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:22, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I've ony heard of the cowboy. Alansplodge (talk) 18:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at thre disambiguation page, I take it that you don't follow BMX or Australian cricket? Because that's 2 post-Sampras Pistol Petes right there.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 09:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)