Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2008 November 9

= November 9 =

Child labor laws in Ohio?
Would anyone be able to tell me the maximum number of hours a sixteen-year-old can work in Ohio during the school term? --Brasswatchman (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Researching and telling you the law would be legal advice which is wisely forbidden. I will explain how you may find the answer for yourself. If you go to Findlaw.com and choose the professional version, select Ohio under Statutes. Once you are there search for "Child labor laws." This will tell you the statute. There may be court cases (I'm certain that there are) interpreting the statute. Check for Ohio cases. Also, google for local law libraries, usually law schools or county court houses, and see if there is public access for pro se (self represented)clients. If there is, a law library can help you find the information. The law librarian cannot give legal advice. I've beem impressed with how willing the librarians are to assist the public. Other laws may impact the relevant statute so a lawyer is the best way to get a comprehensive, correct answer. I'd telephone the local school board, too.75Janice (talk) 02:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)75Janice
 * Actually, researching and telling him the law would not constitute legal advice anymore than discussions of anatomy constitute medical advice. Legal advice would mean that you are, um, advising him on a course of action.  Merely pointing out the text of a law doesn't really constitute legal advice... --Jayron32. talk . contribs  02:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * To the contrary, identifying and picking specific law out of the often complex, convoluted, and large universe of laws within a jurisdiction is a primary function of legal advice. Trickrick1985 (talk) 16:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Just look it up. Title 41 of the Ohio Revised Code, Chapter 4109: employment of minors. Took me 90 seconds to find it.  And I don't live in Ohio.  --- OtherDave (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * (restored) Just to be clear, I'm not asking for the purpose of seeking legal advice. I'm asking because I'm writing a story with a sixteen-year-old protagonist, and I'm trying to figure out whether or not he'd be allowed to work 40 hours or not during the school year. And - according to OtherDave's link - it looks like he'd be limited to eighteen hours a week. Thank you all very much. I really appreciate the help. --Brasswatchman (talk) 02:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

For the record, no one else decides whether or not I believe something is legal advice. In my prelaw days, I believed everything on its face was clear only to cringe throughout law school as I found out that it is rarely as simple as I thought. I will always err on the side of caution. Sometimes it not worth trying to help me when other members are nasty. I'm not referring to you, Brasswatchman.68.81.42.66 (talk) 05:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC) 75Janice

U.S. Federal Personal Income Tax Revenue
I'm trying to find a table(s) that shows the total amount of Federal Personal Income Tax Revenue paid by taxpayers in various income brackets. The information in "income tax" shows rates, history, legal authority, etc. but nothing about the revenue raised.

I'd appreciate it if you would point me in the right direction.

Thanks.

John J. Landers Bethesda, MD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.166.177 (talk) 04:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like the first one on this page might be what you're looking for. I didn't look too closely, but I'll bet you can get what you're looking for from one of these NByz (talk) 06:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=133521,00.html

Independence of Cambodia and Vietnam
Why did France just allow Cambodia to remove itself from the Empire? I understand they fought for Algeria because it was so extensively populated by French but that's the same case with Vietnam. So why was there such a long struggle?

Lotsofissues (talk) 06:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If you're interested in the Cambodia question, there's Colonial Cambodia; for Vietnam there's First Indochina War and more. Historians please, Julia Rossi (talk) 10:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

1969 Moon Landing
How was it possible to film Neil Armstrong's first step off the spacecraft onto the moon from a camera positioned several metres away from the spacecraft? Did the spacecraft have a robotic arm to put it out there? Also, when the spacecraft takes off again shortly after, why does the camera follow it from the 'land' and part of the way up into space? Did it have a motion sensor? I am not talking about conspiracies here, I am wondering if there may be a rational explanation assuming the landing was true.--ChokinBako (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know for sure, but I expect the camera was on one of the landing struts, they probably extended a fair distance from the hatch. As for the takeoff, they would have been able to calculate what speed the craft would move, so it wouldn't have been difficult to set up the camera to pan up at the right speed. --Tango (talk) 14:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * just so you know, the real conspiracy is that although mankind went to the moon, it wasn't when the world was told it was: at that time it was just staged. you can look into it if you don't believe me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.124.214.224 (talk) 14:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations - Kittybrewster  &#9742;  14:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That article is about as good as International_law_and_the_Arab-Israeli_conflict. Take it with a grain of salt the size of your head.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.124.214.224 (talk) 14:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to improve it with reliable sources. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  14:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Or you know I could just write in a lake with a stick. If you want to know what I mean, just fix the obvious problems with either article.  You'll be reverted within the day.


 * At the risk of answering the question... see Apollo TV camera - it specifically states, "For each lunar landing mission, a camera was also placed inside the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA) in Quad 4 of the Lunar Module (LM) Descent Stage, so it was capable of broadcasting the first steps of the astronauts as they climbed down the ladder of the LM at the start of the first moonwalk/EVA." -- k a i n a w &trade; 16:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

On another point, there was no broadcast of the Apollo 11 lander taking off; this was done for one or more of the later missions. I don't remember the camera rotating upward but it would have been easy enough to arrange if they wanted to go to the trouble. --Anonymous, 20:27 UTC, November 9, 2008.


 * The famous video of the LM lifting off comes from the Apollo 17 mission. The camera used was the one on the Lunar Rover, which was left parked several meters away from the LM for the specific purpose of seeing the liftoff. The camera was controlled by a technician at Mission Control in Houston. (See the video here.) — Michael J  19:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Collective Unconscious
Could anyone recommend some good books on Collective Unconscious, please? --BorgQueen (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course, we all could. Unfortunately, the Collective of WP referential deskopedians has succumbed to sudden unconsciousness.  Medical advice is required urgently!  Aaaaaarghhhhh...
 * As to your question: I suggest The Archetypes and The Collective Unconscious (Collected Works of Carl Jung Vol.9 Part 1) as a starting point.  --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 21:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As well as the "Definitions" chapter of Jung's Psychological Types, the article gives this reading list:
 * Jung, Carl. (1970). "Psychic conflicts in a child.", Collected Works of C. G. Jung, 17, Princeton University Press, (p. 1-35).
 * Whitmont, Edward C. (1969). The Symbolic Quest, Princeton University Press.
 * Gallo, Ernest. "Synchronicity and the Archetypes," Skeptical Inquirer, 18 (4). Summer 1994.

Come to think of it, the article could be better and seems skewed to ADHD in children but not clear why...
 * Details for Cookatoo's ref is The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious. (1981 2nd ed. Collected Works Vol.9 Part 1), Princeton, N.J.: Bollingen. ISBN 0-691-01833-2  Julia Rossi (talk) 23:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Anything by Edward Edinger, from The Ego and the Archetype to Alchemy and Psychotherapy.MelancholyDanish (talk) 16:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)MelancholyDanish

Goering's Desk
In H. R. Trevor-Roper's book, The Last Days of Hitler, he describes Goering's desk as "twenty-six feet long, of mahogany inlaid with bronze swastika, furnished with two big golden baroque candelabra, and an inkstand all of onyx, and a long ruler of green ivory studded with jewels" (p. 23)

Does anyone know what happened to this desk? Does it still exist? Jacobsen&#39;s Ladder (talk) 19:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * According to this page, it is in a fancy New Orleans house. I imagine some modifications were made. --98.217.8.46 (talk) 21:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Help thinking of an original name for a website about the british monarchy...
Any creative, modern ideas are welcome. Preferrably domains that aren't already taken! :) Thank yooouuuu! --217.227.102.7 (talk) 19:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not really what the ref desk is for. However, my advice would be to think about what makes your site unique (if there isn't anything, then there's no point making the site!) and choose a name based on that. --Tango (talk) 19:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Casket Letters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.56.13 (talk) 19:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The Trial
In Kafka's The Trial, why does K refuse to leave the village even though the end result of such an action would clearly save him a great deal of trouble? Vltava 68 (talk  contribs ) 20:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It would also have saved Kafka the trouble of writing his novel! With Kafka there is little point in looking for rational explanations. Just go with the flow of absurdity. Emma Dashwood (talk) 07:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Vltava 68 should have written The Castle instead of The Trial; the plot doesn't match with the trial. 203.188.92.71 (talk) 09:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Vltava, do you mean The Castle? Antandrus (talk) 16:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I typed The Trial by accident as I read it very recently. Vltava 68  (talk  contribs ) 08:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it depends on how you interpret the book. Since you just finished The Trial you will remember the metaphor of Before the Law, where the man from the country petitions for admission to the edifice guarded by the Gatekeeper, who will not let him in.  (It's in the section "The Cathedral", spoken by the priest.)  I think The Castle picks up at this point:  K is the Man from the Country, petitioning for entry:  he will not leave since "this door was meant only for you", and now he knows it.  In The Myth of Sisyphus, if I remember correctly, Albert Camus suggests that The Castle is about the longing for Divine Grace.  He can't leave -- staying in the village, attempting to contact the Castle, even though it is a mystifying, remote bureaucracy uninterested in him, is what he must do.  Antandrus  (talk) 03:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Come to think of it, it is mentioned in the same chapter (by the priest, I think) that the man from the country actually has a choice whether he waits for the door to be opened. Same situation for K the Land Surveyor, I think. Vltava 68  (talk  contribs ) 09:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Update - Census and the Oregon Trail
This is an update of a question asked a few months ago. It was asked about how they counted people in the West. Actually, according to an e-mail I got from the Census Bureau after a couple months, they didn't really bother with that; their concerns were more for established places, even if they were just territories, and established people. A good point was made that people on the trail might settle anywhere, bound for one spot and then deciding to put down elsewhere. So, there were no people who just wandered the Westward trails just counting people.

There were people in the territories, though, that counted established people. You can read a few interesting remarks if you scan the census pages at a library somewhere; like for instance in Montana in 1870, where the official remarks about how he'd been told of how many had come and gone, and whether anyone died in the last year, and would even write there were "very few here but Indians in this whole area," or words to that effect.

Just thought I'd post for future reference. If the original was in Miscellaneousinstead of here, feel free to move it. I forget where it was.Somebody or his brother (talk) 20:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

rewriting request
Can someone who speaks good English read International_law_and_the_Arab-Israeli_conflict fast and rewrite the intro paragraph to conform with this guidline Lead_section. Thank you very kindly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.124.214.224 (talk) 21:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reference desk is not the place for asking this question.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 21:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Go on the article's talk page to make that request. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 22:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Absurdism
Besides, Absurdism...what other (if any) Philosophical Concept(s) are/is relative to both Existentialism & Nihilism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by L3tt3rz (talk • contribs) 23:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Doing your own homework, for one! Belisarius (talk) 11:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Surely not doing your own homework is more appropriate to the topics. Atheism, anti-foundationalism, fictionalism, relativism, empiricism, instrumentalism, skepticism, or anti-realism may be relevant.  However, existentialism takes many forms, so not all topics will be relevant to all existentialists.  Nihilism is an even vaguer concept, so you should probably decide what exactly you mean by nihilism (moral? epistemic? other?) and go read the relevant entries. --Maltelauridsbrigge (talk) 17:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Corruption
Hi, I have some questions regarding government and administrative corruption. I have always heard liberal-democracies have more administrative corruption than single-party states. Is it true? China is a single-party state, but corruption in China is growing in an alarming rate.
 * Can anyone please provide some information regarding the situation of government corruption in North Korea? I have heard the North Korean administration and its people work like robot and any deviation from state policy can result in death, and if this is the case, administrative corruption will be very low in North Korea.
 * Were there administrative corruption in Germany during Hitler and in U.S.S.R. during Stalin? If yes, then were those level similar to present day liberal democracies like Venezuela or Unites States? If there were corruption in Hitlerite Germany and Stalinist U.S.S.R. with strict law enforcement, what may be the reason behind it? The article Political corruption states lack of government transparency is a cause behind corruption, but it does not cite any reference for this and does not explain it in detail. If lack of government transparency is the reason, then why there is corruption in liberal democracies?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 23:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What are we defining as "corruption"? --98.217.8.46 (talk) 23:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The use of governmental powers by government officials (mainly low and middle ranking government officials) for illegitimate private gain, primarily in the form of bribery.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This has been a major topic in development economics. The World Bank, especially, has become actively involved, recently denying or limiting loans to countries with high rates of bribery and cronyism.  This [] study seems to try to address your question using modern data.  It uses correlation analysis between "corruption" and "government size" or "liberty." It's $30 through that site though.  Maybe you can find it through a university's "academic paper" account (if you know someone who has one.)NByz (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Be careful not to confuse a rapid rise in corruption reported by the media with a large amount of corruption. Sometimes, releasing controls over media outlets permits a lot more reporting of the same amount of corruption. DOR (HK) (talk) 03:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised by and question the "always heard liberal-democracies have more administrative corruption" premise. Transparency International's 2008 Corruption Perceptions Index shows just the opposite for bureaucratic corruption.  Interestingly, Swedish, Australian and Canadian businesses were more likely to pay bribes in developing countries than Taiwanese, South Korean or Chinese!?  Saintrain (talk) 02:22, 11 November 2008 (UTC)