Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2010 September 25

= September 25 =

Numbers Game
I need a bit of help with this article, as you can see here. Firstly, my library doesn't have The Autobiography of Malcolm X, so I'll need to wait about a week for it to be sent from another library: if someone has access to it now and could check the reference, that would be very helpful. Secondly, reverting my original edit isn't enough, as the information I removed is almost certainly wrong. As I mentioned on the talk page, the problem seems to be an edit that removed the word n***er (without asterisks) despite it being a direct quote of what this was actually called (assuming the ref. checks out). I cannot add that word back in without logging in, and I have reasons not to log in :(. Without that word, the sentence is nonsensical. 109.155.33.219 (talk) 12:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of references to be had. Example: even more here:.Even mentioned in a 1934 edition of the New Yorker. Guess the editor that deleated it lives out-side the US --Aspro (talk) 12:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, fantastic! Could you edit the (full) sentence back in with 2 or 3 of those sources for refs? As I said, I can't edit it in without logging in because of the 'n' word. 109.155.33.219 (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Why can't you edit it? Just properly cite it and you should be ok.  Here's some more refs:   Wiki Dao  &#9775;  (talk)  16:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are bots, and possibly edit filters, that automatically revert or disallow IP edits that contain certain "trigger words". Looie496 (talk) 17:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean vandal patrollers? [[Image:CVU.svg|30px]] If it is properly sourced, it'll stay. Wiki Dao  &#9775;  (talk)  17:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Mostly there are automated processes that use trigger words; that's what the editor's running afoul of.  Acroterion  (talk)  17:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well those automated processes should not be preventing an IP user from making properly sourced relevant contributions to an article! Which bots are guilty of that?   Wiki Dao  &#9775;  (talk)  18:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The main vandal-reverting bot is User:ClueBot, but there are also a number of edit filters that disallow edits that look problematic. You can learn more about them at Special:AbuseFilter. Looie496 (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Gnome-face-surprise.svg Wow, that is a problem! Who'd a thunk it? It all worked out in the end, though. [[Image:Face-grin.svg|30px]] Cheers,    Wiki Dao  &#9775;  (talk)  20:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The "N word" is not on any edit filter and probably never will be, because of the many legitimate uses.   —  Soap  —  20:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. But, in any case, this worked out. Thanks guys! I'll format a couple of the best extra refs and add them in tomorrow, when I can use a proper computer. 109.155.33.219 (talk) 21:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * DASHBot doesnt use the edit filter. Actually the edit filter was originally designed to go for the things that DASHBot and others wouldnt be able to catch.   I understand that it's easy to confuse the different anti-vandal programs because they're deliberately kept with sparse documentation, though.    —  Soap  —  22:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Medieval Italian town map - Pavia
If one were to guess, from what century would this Flickr "Historical map of Pavia" be from? The resolution is very high under Flickr's Actions, "View all sizes" for Original (8598 x 7151). Details can be read for the street names and at the bottom of the map the names of the numbered places in ancient Pavia. Looking at the medieval wording I would imagine someone could come up with approximate century. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell talk 12:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonecortesi/4229016791/sizes/o/in/photostream/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonecortesi/4229016791/


 * The map proclaims that it was printed by Pieter van der Aa. That gives a fairly narrow range of dates and the bibliography would suggest that 1728 is the best guess. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC) P.S. Searching of van der Aa or "La Galerie Agréable du Monde" will find similar stuff such as London, Paris. Surprisingly, given the number of cut out pages for sale, someone has a complete (?) copy of of the atlas: here. If you need to ask what it costs (single pages sell for hundreds of dollars/euro), you probably can't afford it. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 14:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 18:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Pavia's historical center is so little changed that, by opening Google Earth and the map together, and working away from the Duomo ("Eccl. Cathed. Civit." on the map) and Piazza Grande (""Platea magna civit." on the map) you can identify modern street names for the streets on the map.--Wetman (talk) 18:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I believe I am a relative of the founder of Miller Arkansas
My Grandfather John Miller III was the son of John Miller II whom was married to Grace Pearl Baker. Grandpa said his Grandfather was in some way responsible for the formation of Miller Arkansas. Would like help learning the history. Miss Bakers father was nicknamed Tic. And this is most of the information I have before Grandfather passed away at the age of 84 several years ago. My name is Robert Miller Jr the son of Robert Miller Sr the son of John Miller III. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.46.61 (talk) 16:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't find any information on the web whatsoever about anything called "Miller Arkansas". Can you clarify what you are talking about here? Looie496 (talk) 17:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * We have articles on Miller County, Arkansas, Miller County, Arkansas Territory and Miller Homestead (Pea Ridge, Arkansas). Is one of these the subject of your question?  Ka renjc 18:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)