Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2013 June 5

= June 5 =

Education of the Kingdom of Hawaii
I have no idea how the education system worked in the 19th century. Was Oahu College a college in modern terms between 1853 and 1934?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * From reading our article, it suggests it was analogous with an American high school, preparing students for university. In the UK, private secondary schools sometimes describe themselves as colleges, Eton College being the most notable example. Alansplodge (talk) 15:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I went to Eton and it's not just a secondary school, its a sixth form college as well. And institutions where you can study A-Level's are usually called colleges --Andrew 19:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And when we remember that Hawaii used to be the Sandwich Islands (a British colony) that older, "English" usage of the term becomes more apparent. Blueboar (talk) 17:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Citizenship status of Missionary families in the Kingdom of Hawaii (pre 1893)
What were the citizen status of the children of missionaries (and other American settlers) during the Kingdom of Hawaii? I know many adopted Hawaiian citizenship or were born while their parents were missionaries in the islands and many chose to stay. But many family sent their children back to New England for education and many of those born in Hawaii chose to return to the United States. Now were these individuals born in the Kingdom of Hawaii considered US citizens when they returned. If not, were they allow to become US citizens again. I am only asking about period before 1893 when all Hawaiian citizens were granted US citizenship.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently, the children of US citizens are considered US citizens, whether they are born abroad or in the States. I fairly sure it was the same back in the 1800s. Blueboar (talk) 17:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Myth question did Aphrodite her girdle as a shield for King Anchises and for adultery as well?
Someone just blogged this to me: the girdle might be a throwback to Aphrodite as the Sumerian Inanna as a mother-goddess and the other is a cautionary tale on the evils of adultery: After the adulterous couple were discovered and the male gods summoned (the female gods found the whole thing indelicate and stayed away), Hephaestus at first demanded the return of his bride-price from Zeus, who disclaimed any responsibility. Finally, Poseidon intervened on behalf of Ares, guaranteeing that the latter would pay an equivalent fine - which, of course, he never did. But I have a another question: Wasn't another use of the girdle was as a kind of celestial shield. When King Anchises unwisely boasted of having slept with the goddess, Zeus hurled a thunderbolt at him, but Aphrodite interposed her girdle and saved his life. When did this happen? And was the girdle or net were either of then made of bronze, gold, or Adamant? Venustar84 (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The story of the interposed girdle is given in The Greek Myths Vol 1 p 102 by Robert Graves.
 * The girdle is usually referred to by the word "cestus", which means "stitched" or "embroidered" and that is the most common adjective I see describing it. Historia Amoris by Edgar Saltus p 33 says on statues, the girdle was sometimes embroidered with people embracing and kissing. Bulfinch's Age of Fable Ch 1 just calls it "embroidered". In Homer's Iliad Book XIV section 213 Murray's translation says: "She spake, and loosed from her bosom the broidered zone, curiously-wrought, wherein are fashioned all manner of allurements; therein is love, therein desire, therein dalliance—beguilement that steals the wits even of the wise. This she laid in her hands, and spake, and addressed her: "Take now and lay in thy bosom this zone, curiously-wrought, wherein all things are fashioned; I tell thee thou shalt not return with that unaccomplished, whatsoever in thy heart thou desirest.""
 * (Not a great source here, but extra food for thought: this university undergrad paper says the girdle was made of "finely wrought and magic filigree woven into the work" with a citation to "Lindemans 1" - I can't find who this is, though. See filigree - it refers to delicate twisted metal threads and beads.) 184.147.118.213 (talk) 14:23, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Why does this question keep appearing on, various ref desks, without a verb, despite this problem being pointed out to the OP several times? Don't most languages have verbs? I still don't know what the question is. HiLo48 (talk) 21:52, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Venustar's promised various times to stop abusing the ref desk. μηδείς (talk) 00:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Victoria Pomare
What year was this paragraph dated June 21st on this page referring to?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you go back to page 94 of the document, it says January 3rd, 1845. The entries are then in chronological order until the June 21st entry on page 127, with all of them being the same year (the first entry for 1846 is on page 146 (March 9th). --Xuxl (talk) 10:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Name of a US Greek Orthodox diocese
What's the name of the diocese for which SS Constantine and Helen, Merrillville, Indiana, is the cathedral? I can't find it on their website, and while the cathedral appears in the parish directory for the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, nothing is said about the name of the diocese. I'm also confused by the terminology, since the archiepiscopal website talks about itself as an archdiocese (not an archeparchy), and the only appearance of the word "eparchy" I've found is on this page, where they describe the entire archdiocese as an eparchy (not archeparchy!) of Constantinople. 2001:18E8:2:1020:933:573C:3F71:6541 (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America is divided into metropolises, not dioceses, and the church in Merrillville is part of the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Chicago. The seat of the Metropolis of Chicago is the Cathedral of the Annunciation in that city. However, the Merrillville church is described here as the home parish of the bishop of Chicago.  Perhaps that is the reason why the church is called a cathedral, even though it isn't the seat of a metropolis. Marco polo (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I thought a metropolis was parallel to a Catholic archdiocese, so I was guessing that Merrillville was what Catholics would call a suffragan diocese.  I don't think it's called a cathedral simply because it's the home parish of the bishop of Chicago; I'm asking after finding some pictures from late 1982 showing "Cathedral" as part of the building's front sign, and at the time the future Metropolitan Savas was still in seminary.  The important thing, however, is the fact that there isn't a diocese/eparchy/metropolis that's "based" at this cathedral.  2001:18E8:2:1020:20EE:B7AC:3176:F93 (talk) 20:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, he's the bishop of Pittsburgh, but I mean I don't think Metropolitan Savas has anything to do with the fact that SS Constantine and Helen is designated a cathedral. 2001:18E8:2:1020:20EE:B7AC:3176:F93 (talk) 20:23, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Eastern Orthodox Church schools
Is there such thing as a private college in the US affiliated with the Eastern Orthodox Church that isn't solely a school of theology or a seminary like the University of Notre Dame for the Catholics?--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 18:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The only one I can find is Hellenic College and Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology, which has a liberal arts undergraduate program. -- Jayron  32  19:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * There is also St. Katherine College, though it doesn't seem to be fully accredited. Marco polo (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)