Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2014 June 22

= June 22 =

Shadows in Flight download link
I've looked everywhere but I can only find downloads for the abridged version of Shadows in Flight, which is called the enhanced edition. Does anyone know where I can download the unabridged version? Any format is fine. 92.16.58.125 (talk) 01:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I assume "everywhere" includes the Google eBook:, but I don't see where this edition is abridged or "enhanced". —
 * This is the 1st edition:
 * There is also a Kindle edition:
 * — Hope this helps, ~:71.20.250.51 (talk) 18:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

A map of the Hawaiian Islands according to the latest surveys, 1838
Does anybody know where I can find the rest of this map made by Simon P. Kalama, a Lahainaluna student in 1838? It looks likes a corner of a larger map. I got it from the Library of Congress. I've check all the other maps in the Library of Congress linked to the side of this image but they all correspond to different time periods. There is a similiar map by the same student called Na Mokupuni o Hawaii Nei but it was made in 1837 and does not have the Lahainaluna School logo on the upper right corner. Google image searching it I see fragments with other islands such as Kauai and Niihau but not the complete thing. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This page says that there is only one existing complete copy, at the Royal Geographical Society in London, and that the RGS sells copies of it.--Cam (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Odd that the only institution to have it is British and that they sell it. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

British Abdication
Who are the known monarchs of the British Isles who abdicated their thrones before Edward VIII? I know some Anglo-Saxons did. Were there any other Welsh or Norse-Gaelic monarchs who abdicated?--The Emperor&#39;s New Spy (talk) 10:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * See list at Abdication.--Shantavira|feed me 11:16, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's good to see that article draw some distinction between abdication and abandonment of the throne. While Parliament went to some lengths to declare that James II had functionally abdicated during the Glorious Revolution, an actual abdication requires the monarch to declare such; some monarchs have simply run off and left no explanation; perhaps the most famous of which other than James II of England was Henry of Poland & Lithuania who, upon learning that he'd inherited the throne of France, simply ducked out of town and told no one he was leaving.  The Sejm sent repeated requests for explanation, and having got none, were left to declare the throne vacant.  I'm pretty sure Henry didn't care one way or the other, and never officially abdicated the throne of Poland (though he also never complained when the elected a new king either).  -- Jayron  32  03:27, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Architectural terminology (church)
Would this better be termed a pulpit or an Ambon? This is in a Protestant church, Blenduk, in Semarang, Indonesia. The interior of the church can be seen here. I'm thinking it's an ambon, but that article does not include Protestantism. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It's a pulpit - the Ambon seems to be almost wholly confined to the Eastern Orthodox tradition. Have a look at Calvin's pulpit in St. Pierre Cathedral, Geneva for comparison. The canopy is intended to amplify the speaker's voice. Alansplodge (talk) 14:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting. The first paragraph of Pulpit doesn't really differentiate between them. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming that this church is affiliated to the Dutch Reformed Church, Indonesia having been a Dutch colony within living memory. Dutch Art: An Encyclopedia, edited by Sheila D. Mulle says; "The primary liturgical center of the Reformed Church, on the other hand, was the pulpit..." (p. 62). Alansplodge (talk) 14:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Reading the rest of that page, it sounds about right. When the current church building was built (1890s), colonial architecture would have still had a major influence, and the layout is pretty much just as the source describes (except for the individual chairs being in lines rather than arcs). Thanks once again. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:59, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. The para that you linked (Pulpit#Ambon) suggests that some (pedantic) people might refer to a pulpit as an ambon, if there is "only one speaker's stand in the center of the front of the church". However, I have never heard the word "ambon" used in relation to a Protestant church, unless somebody else out there knows better. The only reference for that paragraph refers specifically to Greek and Russian churches. Alansplodge (talk) 16:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Mary Higgins Clark-Mother Salut book?
Your good article on Mary Higgins Clark mentions a book called "Mother Salut" from 1993. I cannot find information on that book on the internet. Who published it? Where is it available? Thanks.
 * VJ books has it listed under Non-fiction, but no info except: "Mother Salut - 1993 (with Amy Tan and Maya Angelou)"
 * Her website doesn't even mention it, but does include a 'Contact' page: .  —71.20.250.51 (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know where the "Salut" came from, but Higgins Clark, Angelou and Tan worte a book called "Mother" in 1996. See here.  Rojomoke (talk) 19:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "Salut" means "Hi" in French. Someone added that word after "Mother" in Dec. 2010. I suspect vandalism.--Cam (talk) 19:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I have it now. First, yes, the "Salut" is obvious vandalism; as Cam says, it's French for "hi", and it's the only edit ever made from that IP address.

Second, I checked Amy Tan and Maya Angelou]'s official web sites. None of them mentions any collaboration with either of the other two authors. Neither of them mentions a book with "Mother" in the title. But this is not conclusive, as Maya Angelou did write a book Mother: A Cradle to Hold Me in 2006.

Third, I checked the Library of Congress catalog. They don't have a book with "Mother" in the title with Mary Higgins Clark as an author.

Fourth, note that when Google Books returns data such as the title, date, and author of a book, it can be wrong. To be sure that it's right, you have to look at the actual pages, if it allows you to. For the listing that Rojomoke found, it doesn't allow it. But if you search in Google Books for: mother "mary higgins clark" "amy tan" then it will find a book Mother: Famous Writers Celebrate Motherhood with a Treasury of Short Stories, Essays & Poems, edited by Claudia O'Keefe and published by Pocket Books in 1996 with ISBN 0-671-52998-6.

This book mentions 7 authors (all female) on the front cover, including the three mentioned by Romojoke, and it adds "and others". So I think Romojoke's search found another edition of this book.

And therefore there was no book Mother (let alone Mother Salut) written by Clark, only a book that she contributed one item to. I'll delete the item from the list in her article. --70.49.171.225 (talk) 08:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)