Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2014 October 6

= October 6 =

Jimmy Dore said that a study determined that cops (when they were younger) were either bullies or were bullied
Is this true? I tried searching for it but I couldn't find anything. ScienceApe (talk) 00:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * How'd the whole joke go? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:56, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a joke per se, more of a rant. You can see it here around the 00:46 point. ScienceApe (talk) 01:29, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * They've done studies that show people who say "They've done studies" to support a claim followed with "think about it" are trying too hard to convince us. And 60% of the time, it works every time. Think about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-05-08. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:31, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * A few years ago in my city a sporting hero and successful coach (manager) was killed when a punch from a bouncer knocked him out and he hit his head on a concrete path. In the very public discussions that followed in the media it seemed to be agreed that the last person you should recruit as a bouncer is someone who actually wants to be one. I'd say, however, that police are usually selected and trained a lot more carefully. HiLo48 (talk) 02:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * A similar trope appears in Clockwork Orange. Alex's former "droogs" became police officers... -- Jayron  32  02:27, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Were either bullies or were bullied? Just how many people haven't been one or the other? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 8,014,000. The population of Switzerland. Seriously though, good point. I've been both. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I seem to have been largely immune. —Tamfang (talk) 08:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I got pulled over in my home town for making a right on red where it was prohibited. The cop turned out to be a boy with whom I had been on good terms in elementary school, but who, while he was small himself, ended up being a sycophant of bullies all through high school.  I can't speak to his personality now, and he did only give me a warning, not a ticket. μηδείς (talk) 17:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * If you want an actual reference, see table 3 here . Note that this study is not looking at childhood bullying, but rather bullying at work. At least it has some actual information about police and bullying. As IH alludes above, the burden of proof is on whomever says "studies show." SemanticMantis (talk) 20:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Public domain in the UK
Hello! I am trying to determine whether the short story "Young Goodman Brown" holds an extended copyright in the UK. Sources including Project Gutenberg tell me that the book "Mosses From an Old Manse" (from which the story is taken) has entered the public domain in the U.S., as would be expected given that it was published in the 19th century, but is anyone aware of a database that I can search to confirm that the story is not held under some other form of copyright in Great Britain? Thank you so much- 128.86.153.254 (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * See Copyright law of the United Kingdom. Copyright extends seventy years after the author's death. Nathaniel Hawthorne, who wrote the story, died in 1864, 150 years ago, so you can be confident that anything he wrote is in the public domain in the UK. --Nicknack009 (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * There are no databases that contain all public domain works, or all copyrighted works. While we cannot give legal advice here, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (in its current, updated form) can be found on the UK government's official website. Section 12.6 may be relevant (See section 15A for what is meant by "country of origin"):
 * "Where the country of origin of the work is not an EEA state and the author of the work is not a national of an EEA state, the duration of copyright is that to which the work is entitled in the country of origin, provided that does not exceed the period which would apply under subsections (2) to (5).". . - Lindert (talk) 15:51, 6 October 2014 (UTC)