Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2014 September 27

= September 27 =

Nudes in early 20th century France
Hi there, I'm expanding the article on September Morn and am looking for a general (accessible) reference that gives some background on the treatment of nudes in 20th century French art and meets WP:RS well enough to be cited. If possible, something like an encyclopedia entry would be nice. Does anybody know of anything? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't find anything obvious in the "Research Resources" at Art History Resources on the Web site, but you might have better luck. — 71.20.250.51 (talk) 02:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Look at Heather Dawkins', The Nude in French Art and Culture, 1870-1910 (Cambridge, 2002). Meaty review: Nudes Under Siege (PDF) by Patricia Failing in Yale Journal of Law & the Humanities (2003). -- Paulscrawl (talk) 03:30, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was hoping for something a little more easily accessed for one based in Indonesia (i.e. very unlikely the book would be available here), but that review should point out the main topics to browse in Google Books. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

On a less academic level, French postcards were rather culturally prominent in early 20th century France... AnonMoos (talk) 12:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

It might be easier if you said what information specifically you are after. The painting was made at a period when treatment of the nude was undergoing dramatic change sand was the subject of extensive debate. I can easily find sources on specific issues. Paul B (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Julius Streicher and the German Democratic Party
Under "early life", the article on Julius Streicher says he joined the German Democratic Party in 1909. Its own page says it was only founded in 1918, and as a left-liberal group devoted to protecting minorities, it really doesn't seem like Streicher's bag anyway. Were there several DDPs, or did Streicher actually start off in a different party? 213.205.251.92 (talk) 12:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The German article doesn't mention him joining any party in 1909. DuncanHill (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm, the Nuremberg Trial Proceedings have him saying he joined the "Democratic Party" in 1911 (page 306, 28 April 1946, see here. DuncanHill (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * In the hope nobody objects, I've changed the date in Streicher's article to 1911, removed the inaccurate link to the DDP, and refeenced it to DuncanHill's court testimony link. Any idea what party or group he was actually referring to? It obviously wasn't the 1918 creation. 213.205.251.92 (talk) 16:38, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks - you just saved me doing the same! I can't so far find another "Democratic Party", but there were of course a host of parties coming and going at the time, both nationally and provincially. DuncanHill (talk) 17:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a bit ore about it here. Not a party I personally have come across but judging by that piece it seems to have been something of a regional or even local concern. Keresaspa (talk)

Arabic name abbreviation
Special:Random led me to Hubasha, which had extremely poor English that I've rewritten. One part, however, I can't fix: someone's name, Da'ud b. cIsa b. Musa, governor of Mecca in the early ninth century AD. Do we have an article on the guy? I don't know how to look for him, not knowing what "b." or "c" (before "Isa") denote; I'm guessing that "b." is "bin", but I can't imagine what "cIsa" represents. All sourcing goes to what appear to be scholarly publications in Arabic, so I can't use them myself and can't reject them on WP:RS grounds. Nyttend (talk) 12:30, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * "B." is just an all-purpose abbreviation for the word which can take a number of forms depending on context or dialect (at least "Ibn" and "Bn" in classical Arabic and "Bin" in vernacular Arabic -- with a number of other possibilities if i'rab vowels or further dialect variations are taken into account). The "c" in "cIsa" is supposed to be "ʿ" a transcription of the voiced pharyngeal letter ع ayn (strict IPA symbol [ʕ])... -- AnonMoos (talk) 12:42, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've seen c used for ע and its Arabic equivalent, but only superscripted. How would you render this person's name?  [maybe I should have gone to WP:RDL]  Perhaps the answer is in the Arabic article on Hubasha.  Nyttend (talk) 12:49, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * It could be transcribed a number of ways, depending on context or the particular transliteration conventions used. In article al-Amin, it appears as "Dawud ibn Isa"... -- AnonMoos (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * His name is (داود بن عيسی بن موسی). cIsa should be 'isa. Omidinist (talk) 19:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone find a source for this graphic? (UK European Election results)
This graphic, found on European Parliament election, 2014 (United Kingdom).

I'm working on an article for which I could really use this data, but the graphic is unsourced. I think the data is real - I've found a couple of breakdowns tucked away in obscure corners of individual council websites, and it checks out - but I can't find a collection of the results by local authority anywhere, and normally I'd know where to look. It'd be really helpful to me, and also to the Wikipedia article, which is presenting unsourced data right now.

Thanks much, lovely helpful Wikipedians! Dan Hartas (talk) 20:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Have you tried contacting the author at their talk page?WinterWall (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, good call, thank you, I'll try that. Dan Hartas (talk) 21:01, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * You can find a summary of the 2014 EP election results by district here: European Parliament Elections 2014 - Commons Library Research Paper. And a slightly larger version of the same map (p. 32). Sam Blacketer (talk) 22:39, 28 September 2014 (UTC)