Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2015 July 2

= July 2 =

Ptolemaic numbers
I am looking for a table of Ptolemaic numbers and their modern counterparts (1, 2, etc). Not a system of planets or tides, just the actual physical numbers, 1-20 if possible. If you can find them please tell me what I should have entered into the Google search engine also! :) 14.2.30.233 (talk) 00:18, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, are you looking for how the numbers 1-20 were written in an ancient language ? Ptolemy was Greco-Egyptian, in Alexandria while it was under Roman control, so do you want ancient Greek, ancient Egyptian, or Latin, from that period ? StuRat (talk) 01:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Our articles on the Almagest and Geography (Ptolemy) say that both were originally written in Greek, so presumably Greek numerals would be the form used. In fact, that last article has a map from the Geography which shows the use of Greek numerals. Interestingly, it's a decimal system, rather than being like Roman numerals.  MChesterMC (talk) 08:16, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Terminations and buy-back
I've just learned Macy's ditched Donald Trump, as did NBC. The network will also no longer air the Miss USA and Miss Universe Pageants. (Trump still owns half of the Miss Universe Organization.) By any chance, will somebody hired by CBS, buy Trump's half, as well as the broadcast rights to both pageants?2604:2000:712C:2900:5090:B7FE:BF98:2807 (talk) 03:48, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not the job of the Reference Desk to make predictions. --70.49.171.136 (talk) 06:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Let me rephrase the question. Since Macy's and NBC ditched Donald Trump, does that also mean the Miss Universe Organization have done the same thing, as well?2604:2000:712C:2900:5090:B7FE:BF98:2807 (talk) 07:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Their statement (pdf press release available from http://www.missuniverse.com/press_releases/index) does not say they have. 184.147.138.101 (talk) 09:33, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * There still seems to be an open question of whether those entities had the legal right to do what they did, so even the stuff that's been done already, could eventually be nullified. Or not. So there's no way to predict. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Using that approach, we would be loath to report that anyone has ever been convicted of a crime, because there's always the possibility they could appeal, be successful, and become un-convicted. No, I think it's best to report what is, and let what may be may be and deal with it when and if it ever becomes is.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:00, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

At least one of the pageants has already been picked up by an independent cable network, which doesn't rule out their return to one of the "big 3" but probably makes it unlikely for the near future at least.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 01:19, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

India-Bangladesh border deal
Is there anywhere online that I can see a map showing the results of the recent border deal between India and Bangladesh? From what I can tell, Google Maps still displays the pre-deal situation. --Lazar Taxon (talk) 22:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * India–Bangladesh enclaves was on the front page here three weeks ago. μηδείς (talk) 00:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, but that article only has maps showing the pre-deal situation. I'm asking if there are any maps showing the outcome of the deal. --Lazar Taxon (talk) 01:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's interesting that the bill itself does not contain a map, though all the pieces of land are described very exactly. Anyway, a recent map *was* made, according to the bill: as determined through joint survey and fully depicted in the respective adversely possessed land area index map (APL map) finalised by the Land Records and Survey Departments of both the countries between December, 2010 and August, 2011. I can't find whether this map has been made public though - can anyone else? 184.147.138.101 (talk) 03:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This question would probably interest WikiProject India/Members (especially User:Amitrc7th and User:Anuomkara and User:Copperchloride and User:Harsimaja and User:Kondi and User:LRBurdak and user:Ninney and User:Planemad and User:Vin09; also User:Amartyabag and User:Arijit109 and User:Tamravidhir). Also, it would probably interest WikiProject Bangladesh/Members (especially User:Crtew and User:Freemesm).
 * —Wavelength (talk) 02:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This question would probably interest WikiProject Geography/Project volunteers (especially User:Cooper-42 and User:Funandtrvl and User:Laurinavicius and User:Ridoco234). Also, it would probably interest WikiProject Countries/Volunteers (especially User:Dwaipayanc and User:Funandtrvl and User:Kirananils and User:Naveenpf and User:The Way).
 * —Wavelength (talk) 03:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * These links might be helpful: http://www.askalo.info —> http://www.askalo.in.
 * —Wavelength (talk) 03:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You can ask a librarian at the Delhi Public Library (http://www.dpl.gov.in/index.php/ask-librarian).
 * —Wavelength (talk) 04:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * According to this article: Bangladesh and India – Mapped out, the people in the enclaves will be given the choice to which 'side' they will be on, along with citizenship. So, the map wouldn't exist yet, and I don't know what timeline the people have been given to make their choices. Funandtrvl (talk) 15:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, the residents can chose which country they want to be citizens of, but the actual enclaves themselves will be exchanged no matter what - if you wanted to remain an Indian/Bangladeshi citizen, you'd have to move to contiguous India/Bangladesh. Smurrayinchester 07:00, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wavelength for tagging me. I think this document can help. I will try to provide further info.-- FreemesM  (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)