Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2015 May 29

= May 29 =

US restraining orders
In general, how does the typical state law handle a situation in which Alice gets a restraining order against Bob and then goes to see him? In other words, Bob's restrained from being in contact with Alice, but can Alice's action cause him to violate it without doing anything himself? Asking because I don't know how to improve the first sentence of the "Restraining order provisions" section of Restraining order, which claims no one really knows what the law's stance if the abuser stays in one place and the victim moves into the area. Like most of the paragraph, it's unsourced, and the tone is such that it really ought to be improved. Nyttend (talk) 04:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but I removed that bit to improve it. More suited for a campfire tale than a book of facts. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Logic suggests some possible answers, but the specifics might well vary from state to state. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * There are a bunch of different articles relevant to this, such as TRO and injunction and a search of retraining order on free law dictionary sites is quite complex. Given that TRO's are unusual in that they bind the defendant although he hasn't yet been tried or appeared in court, it's likely the judge would simply hold it void if the plaintiff were to violate its terms, but that's amateur speculation on my part after about an hour of reading google results.  Likewise, I recall having seen TV shows where both parties are bound not to approach each other.  One would really have to ask a lawyer in the jurisdiction to which the question applied, . μηδείς (talk) 19:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

How can information be corrected?
I consider the information on File:Homicide rate2004.svg to be not just out-of-date, but was wrong back then (year 2004) too. Compare it to List of countries by intentional homicide rate, List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade and http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5.

How can this information be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.4.159.148 (talk) 08:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I suggest you raise your concerns at the talk page of List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  08:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Who ruled France in the early 16th-century?
Who functioned as regent of France during the absence of Louis XII of France in his campaigns in Italy? Was it his queen, Anne of Brittany? Her article only say that she was not regent of France during the absence of her first husband, Charles, but it says nothing about whether she served as regent during her second marriage or not.--Aciram (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Did he personally command during those wars? I can't find any definitive evidence one way or the other from Wikipedia articles from some of them; but it does make clear that Louis d'Armagnac, Duke of Nemours commanded in the Battle of Cerignola and Louis II de la Trémoille led troops in several other battles; the article on Louis XII says that Louis II de la Trémoille was sent to Milan to lead the troops, which would imply that Louis wasn't there at the time.  Our article says that, during the invasion of Milan, Louis XII stayed behind in Lyon until after Milan was already captured, then traveled there to accept their surrender.  Later in the article, it notes that he sent Bernard Stewart to lead the war in Naples.  In the War of the League of Cambrai, Louis XII sent Gaston of Foix, Duke of Nemours to command the troops.  Indeed, reading through all the articles, I don't see where Louis actual led the troops in battle, ever, and don't see any evidence that he spent extended time away from France, except when on diplomatic missions or events like accepting the surrender of Milan.  He may have named regents during his short absenses, but I don't see where he ever did.  -- Jayron 32 16:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Green armband, Poland, 1934
On a recent visit to Gdansk I saw a procession with apparently national/nationalistic background. Some of the marchers wore a dark green armband with "1934" in white and some symbol, maybe a sword. Any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.129.130 (talk) 15:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it wasn't 1939 (4s and 9s can look similar), if so, maybe in remembrance of the 1939 Invasion of Poland? -- Jayron 32 16:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * 1934 was the date of the German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact. Because of this, Poland felt secure enough in September to abrogate the Minorities Protection Treaty of 1919, which had been forced on Poland by the the UK and USA as a condition of League of Nations membership. The end of the treaty prompted anti-Jewish riots led by the right-wing "Green League", probably in imitation of events in Germany. Full details in Poles and Jews: The Quest For Self-Determination 1919-1934 by Feigue Cieplinski. Whether this is connected with the event that you saw, I don't know; it doesn't seem to tie-in with any significant date and I can't immediately any other information on Google. See also 1934 flood in Poland, but that was in July. Alansplodge (talk) 16:31, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Is that external link really the one you want? —Tamfang (talk) 23:49, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Figured it out! The Green Arm Band and 1934 was the National Radical Camp (1934) (ONR).  See the Wikipedia article.  It has the green flag with the arm-and-sword motif and it was founded in 1934.  What the OP saw is the modern recreation of said organization, see National Radical Camp (1993).  -- Jayron 32 16:39, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Damn! You beat me to it! Alansplodge (talk) 16:43, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I confirm that the symbol on the armband was the one shown in the ONR articles. Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.129.130 (talk) 18:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Strategy of Tension
Strategy of tension this article has been reduced from 28000 to 4500 bytes over the last year, by one user, without any discussion on the talk page. I don't have the time to check it out, but maybe someone else is interested? I know this may not be something for WP:RD btw, not sure where to post it... Ssscienccce (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * is the one. Have you tried asking the user what's going on? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:31, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Strategy of Tension was entirely ref'd to non-RS and/or the refs made no mention of the term "strategy of tension" whatsoever (Failed Verification). It should now probably be redirected to Daniele Ganser, the academic who popularized the term. Capitalismojo (talk) 22:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And the article talk page is the best place to discuss edits rather than RD I think. Capitalismojo (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be the normal place to bring this question, yes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Since it's already here, I'll suggest merging what can be sourced to Social control, then burning (but not salting) the old article. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think that's really a good plan. It's much more specific than that, a probably notable alleged strategy that the Italian left accuses the Italian right (and the United States) of.  To what extent it's true, I'm not really qualified to say, but that's a content issue; the topic is almost certainly notable and sourceable, though care must be taken for the fact that the majority of the sources are likely to come from one point of view. --Trovatore (talk) 01:20, 30 May 2015 (UTC)