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= March 9 =

Mariant Brothers and Father Data
Hi, I'd like some information on the following Marianist Brothers and Father, we cannot find this information. Brother John McCluskey, Brother William Callahan, Father Daniel Winters and Brother Donald McCoy. Mr. Christopher Dean The information looking for are date of birth, place of birth, work history, time spent headmasters at St Paul's College Altona North, Australia, their role in the school establishment and running of St Paul's and any other data about them. Thank you for your time and assistance. Violeta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.90.73 (talk) 07:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, your very best source is likely to be the college itself; have you talked to them yet? There is contact information on this page. 184.147.120.176 (talk) 13:36, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * There's a brief biography of John McCluskey (1912-1998) at Chaminade Quarterly, Winter 2006 on page 7 (page 4 of 8 in the pdf file): "In 1964, he became the founding headmaster of St. Paul’s College in Melbourne, as well as the first Marianist to serve in Australia. Brother John returned to Chaminade in 1970 and continued teaching until his retirement in 1984, returning to California in 1987". Alansplodge (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Daniel Winters gets a mention at The University of Dayton Alumnus, Fall 1966 on page 20 (page 21-22 of the file): "[Class of] 1956... Father Daniel Winters will serve as the chaplain at the Marianist establishment at St. Paul's College, Altona North, Victoria". I believe "1956" here would be his graduation year from the University of Dayton, but I'm not certain (it's an American thing!). Alansplodge (talk) 18:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I get a tantalising Google result for Donald McCoy at News Record from North Hills, Pennsylvania (p. 9) "11 Oct 1985 - McCoy is former headmaster of St. Paul's College in Altona North, ... Brother Donald McCoy McCoy taught at North Catholic from 1958 to 1960...". I'm afraid that you have to create an account to see any more. We have an article about North Catholic High School which seems to be the same place. That's all I could find online I'm afraid. Alansplodge (talk) 18:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I was wrong, Br William Thomas "Brother Bill" Callahan (1920-2012) has turned up at findagrave.com with a biography. This document seems to be the source for that. There's a small photo of him at The Story of 150 Years of Marianist Education in the Diocese of Cleveland on page 18 (20/27). Now I think I've reached the bottom of the barrel. Alansplodge (talk) 19:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Hawaiian Paniolo
According to the some sources Kamehameha III sent a royal emissary to California in 1832 to bring back Spanish vaqueros Kossuth, Louzeida and Ramon, who started the Paniolo tradition, can anybody help me find sources for the full name of these three figures and the name of the emissary sent by the king?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't read it, but you may want to seek out This book . It seems to be the most comprehensive book on the subject.  -- Jayron 32 17:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It does have preview available in google books: What I can read may provide further clues for research: "Few, if any, contemporary records for the activities of Kossuth, Louzeida, and Ramon exist, though accounts agree that they came from California and they arrived in 1832." (this is marked with footnote 89, but I can't read the footnotes) "Brothers James and Isaac Louzada were active on the islands during this time, and James Louzada became involved in ranching in Waimea decades later. 'Ramon' may refer to the Ramon family from northwestern Mexico, including Frederico Ramon Baesa, who had a Yaqui Indian wife named Vincenta Romero." (footnote 90) "Kossuth remains a mystery." (footnote 91) "On April 27, 1833, an American merchant in Honolulu named Stephen Reynolds noted in his journal that the 'Brig Neo sailed for Hawaii [the Big Island] with horses & Spaniards to catch bullock for the king.'" (footnote 92) "Some accounts clain that it was the governor of the Big Island, John Adams Kuakini, and not the king, who requested the service of vaqueros from California, and it is clear that he supervised efforts to rationalize the management of the herds on his island." (no footnote) 184.147.120.176 (talk) 18:21, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Here is James and Isaac's grave in Honolulu. Alansplodge (talk)
 * I also managed to get a Google search result (although I can't actually see the page) from the "Cattle Colonialism" book linked above, to page 144, which says: "The early Hawaiian vaquero of whom we know the most is the aforementioned Joaquin Armas, whose grievances against the Hawaiian .." and also, probably a footnote: "94 Armas related, “In the month of May 1831 I came to Oahu in the British whale ship Harriet".
 * Another "snippet view" for Rangelands, Volumes 5-6, Society for Range Management, 1983 (p. 101): "In 1832 or 33, three Mexican vaqueros arrived on the Big Island, Juan, Jose, and Joaquin, to teach the natives the art of cattle handling. These were not the first Mexicans or Spaniards with cow savvy to appear on the Hawaiian scene... The other was Joaquin Armas, who was wooed off his ship by King Kauikeaouli in 1831 to help catch wild cattle in the Waimean area".
 * A detailed account of Armas is viewable in preview at Loyal to the Land: The Legendary Parker Ranch, 750-1950 by Billy Bergin (p. 34). Alansplodge (talk)

Australian Capital Territory flags
In 2011 I posed a question on an image talk page that has not yet got an answer: File talk:Legislative Assembly ACT Chamber.jpg. The image shows the chamber of the Australian Capital Territory Legislative Assembly. Four flags are present, three of them reasonably clear (see the image talk page), but the one I'm stumped by is on the right. Any ideas? Beorhtwulf (talk) 12:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * List of Australian flags suggests possibly Christmas Island but it is hard to tell. -- Jayron 32 12:38, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. It's the Torres Strait Islanders flag.  See here.  The other three are the Australian Flag, the ACT flag, and the Aboriginal flag.  -- Jayron 32 12:45, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you! Beorhtwulf (talk) 15:06, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As an Aussie, I always find the routine "bunching" of Torres Strait Islanders together with Aborigines odd. Torres Strait is part of Queensland, I see no reason why they should have their flag in the ACT Legislative Assembly. In the Queensland Legislative Assembly, it would make sense to me. But not ACT. Eliyohub (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Mystery initials to decipher: "IA ’43, MBA 2/’47, DCS ’58"
Hello. I am working on Stephen H. Fuller. On this webpage, it says, "IA ’43, MBA 2/’47, DCS ’58." I get that he earned a master in business administration in 1947, but does anyone know what IA and DCS stand for please? Also, 2/'47? What is 2? I've already asked at WP:Biography and they suggested I ask here. Please ping me when you reply. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:38, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Just a guess, but if "M" in MBA is "Master" then perhaps "D" in DCS is "Doctor" - perhaps Doctor of Philosophy in Computer Science. Not sure if there was such a thing in 1958 - it was the year I was born! Alansplodge (talk) 21:09, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * [Edit Conflicts] The 2 in question would surely just indicate February?
 * IA can mean Intermediate of Arts, which is at least an educational qualification, but it seems unlikely in Fuller's case. Internal Assessment might be more likely for Fuller, but seems to me to be an odd thing to list on its own.
 * "DSC" might be a mis-rendering of D.Sc., the standard abbreviation for Doctor of Science. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.202.209.145 (talk) 22:20, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In 1958 it would have much more likely been a Doctorate in Commercial Science. See .  General Ization   Talk   22:13, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * IA was an Industrial Administrator degree.    General Ization   Talk   22:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Which best fits his later career, and would lead neatly on to his subsequent MBA, so ignore my earlier possibilities. General Ization's link shows that adding to an IA to obtain an MBA only required one further semester, so the latter's 2/'47 = Feb 1947 interpretation becomes more likely. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.202.209.145 (talk) 22:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * One thing I can tell you is that according to the SSDI (via ancestry.com, a pay site) his birth date is Feb 4, 1920. I'm not seeing anything about colleges, though. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

President declaring martial law
Has any president of the United States ever declared martial law before? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle dan is home (talk • contribs) 22:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Martial law includes a list of martial law declarations in America. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:20, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Before what? μηδείς (talk) 04:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Presumably now. -- Jayron 32 04:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)