Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2018 May 25

= May 25 =

Colin Wilson's Spiderworld
Can someone please tell the correct order of all the parts included in this series ? On net info is incomplete or incorrect at most places. Thanks  Jon Ascton    (talk)  08:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You'll be lucky! I've tried to work this out before to tidy up an online catalogue of Colin Wilson's books. Part of the problem is that The Tower seems to refer to two different works, one of which contained the other. The Second International Colin Wilson Conference is coming up in July, on that page is an email address for Colin Stanley, who probably knows more about Wilson than anyone, and who wrote The Ultimate Colin Wilson Bibliography, 1956-2015, ISBN 9780956866356, you might try asking him. Good luck! DuncanHill (talk) 09:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

a Courts and Repingtons - Wiltshire MPs and soldiers
Our article Charles à Court Repington says he was born at Heytesbury, the genealogy linked from the article as a source (though it surely fails WP:RS), says Chesham St, London. It also says his father was a Conservative MP, the article on his father Charles A'Court says Liberal, and the article on the constituency Wilton (UK Parliament constituency) says Whig. The genealogy site says Conservative. Can anyone find any reliable sources to help sort this out please? DuncanHill (talk) 09:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Not much help, but have you seen A’COURT, Charles Ashe (1785-1861), of Heytesbury, Wilts. Published in The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1820-1832, ed. D.R. Fisher, 2009? Alansplodge (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Bear in mind that, historically, a registration of birth told you where the registration took place, or if in a church register, where the baptism took place. It does not, necessarily, tell you where the baby was actually born. Wymspen (talk) 16:27, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Adams's Parliamentary Hand-Book calls the father a Liberal Conservative. Does that mean everybody's right? --Antiquary (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If the terms were in lower case, I would point participants to our article on liberal conservatism. But since they seem to be party names, hard to say.
 * Was there a Liberal Conservative Party at some point? Or could Adams mean that the subject was part of the liberal wing of the Conservative Party?  Or could it be that it was from a time when parties were not so formalized?  That happened in the early US, in the First Party System, I think &mdash; we assign people retrospectively to be American Whigs or Jeffersonian Republicans or Federalists or Anti-Federalists, but these were not necessarily definite corporations with exact names. --Trovatore (talk) 17:34, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Turns out we have an article on them after all. The Liberal Conservatives are another name for the Peelites, an anti-Corn Law faction of the Conservative Party who eventually broke away to join with the Whigs and Radicals in forming the Liberal Party. --Antiquary (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course, Wikipedia claims that the Liberal Party wasn't formed until 1859, 5 years after that book was published. DuncanHill (talk) 20:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Antiquary says the Liberal Conservatives eventually merged into the Liberal Party, so if Repington was so described, it seems quite natural that it would have been before the foundation of the Liberal Party. --Trovatore (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If you've looked at the book linked you will see that it describes many of the Members as Liberal, while Wikipedia will call them Whigs or Radicals. DuncanHill (talk) 21:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If I remember my history A-Level correctly, during the 1830s, the modern Liberals were formed from the Radicals and most of the Whigs, while some Whigs joined the Tories to make the Conservatives. Alansplodge (talk) 08:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * According to Wikipedia's page on the Liberal Party "the formal foundation of the Liberal Party is traditionally traced to 1859", but "as early as 1839, Russell had adopted the name of 'Liberals'" for the faction he belonged to. In other words there was a grouping of Liberals, so self-described, before there was an organized party on modern lines. --Antiquary (talk) 08:59, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Last Judgment
When will it happen?--193.163.223.192 (talk) 20:43, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * At the top of the page, it says "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate." Ian.thomson (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * but but ....this question has been answered here before --193.163.223.192 (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If you're not lying, then you already have the answer to the question and don't need to ask it again. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:14, 25 May 2018 (UTC)