Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2018 November 7

= November 7 =

Regarding the photographer for File:Brown lady.jpg
Does anyone here know of way of finding out more about the photographer? The aim is to figure out when this clearly notable image can be more widely used.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:04, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * From the information about the photo, we know that the photographer is male, British, active in the 1930's, and of some means (to be able to afford the camera), The photographer is named. However feeding that name into search engines produced plenty of results about the photo, but few about the photographer.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't understand the reference to being able to afford the camera. The photo was taken in the 1930s, not the 1870s - $2 Brownie cameras would have been ubiquitous by then, unless I'm misunderstanding something from your reference. Matt Deres (talk) 15:43, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Did the OP even read the article Brown Lady of Raynham Hall? It literally says the name of the photographer.  Multiple times, and explains how he took the picture.  There's a whole section on it.  -- Jayron 32 16:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I did, I am trying to find biographical information on the photographer using the name quoted there. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah. Thanks for clarifying.  -- Jayron 32 19:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What I am trying to find out is if the photographer was still alive, with a view to getting the photo re-licensed. Long shot but then in phenomenon related matter stranger things have occurred. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't find ANY information on Hubert Provand except that he took that one photograph. The earliest mention of him I can find is a 1937 article in Life Magazine which is not substantially different than what's in the Wikipedia article.  I've basically got bubkis.  There's very little likelyhood he's alive.  Even if he were in his early 20s in 1937, he'd be over 100 years old today.  -- Jayron 32 19:07, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The article you linked gave another name and that led to http://www.xenophon.org.uk/indreshira.html which states that Provand was a pusedonym, and that they died in 1961. So that demolishes the possibility of getting it re-licensed.   The article however also presents an alternate theory about the image.  I'll leave a talk page note, in cases anyone want to summarise the theory into the article. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A fake. Imagine that. :)←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:48, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Indigenous Russian Literature
I'm looking for resources on Samoyedic, Chukchi, Ket and Even literature. déhanchements (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Some preliminary searching brings up Yuri Rytkheu, the "father of Chukchi literature". Adam Bishop (talk) 00:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Even
 * Chukchi Шурбур (talk) 07:44, 8 November 2018 (UTC)