Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2018 September 29

= September 29 =

Which parts of Spain did most Spanish immigrants to Latin America come from?
Which parts of Spain did most Spanish immigrants to Latin America come from? Futurist110 (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The Iberian parts (Not actually a snarky answer when you consider how much of the rest of Europe was ruled from Madrid at the time). Blueboar (talk) 19:15, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That's right.  The whole of the peninsula was originally called Iberia.   Then they began to call it Hispania.   When Spain was unified the name chosen for the new country was Hespanha, much to the alarm of the Portuguese.   The great Portuguese poet Luís de Camões described his people as Uma gente fortissima de Hespanha ("A very strong people of Spain"). 86.131.233.235 (talk) 19:48, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well... what I meant was that we can rule out places like the Spanish Netherlands or Sicily/Naples (which were part of the Spanish Empire at the time, and thus could be considered “Parts of Spain”). Blueboar (talk) 20:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. No one considered then part of Spain, just places ruled by the Spanish King. They had their own local laws, cultures, traditions, legal systems, courts, nobility, etc etc.  They weren't "part" of Spain, in any meaningful sense.  No one in Brussels or Naples would have considered themselves Spanish.  They would have recognized the person who was the King of Spain as also being their ruler, but that's about it.-- Jayron 32 02:38, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That would have included England if it were right Queen Mary's Marriage Act. 86.131.233.235 (talk) 12:59, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


 * You should be more specific about the timing. Do you mean during the colonial era or after the Latin American countries achieved independence?--MarshalN20 ✉ 🕊 13:23, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The main Spanish ports for trade with the New World, Seville and Cádiz, were in Andalusia, and there's been much discussion of the influence of Andalusian dialects of Spanish on Western hemisphere Spanish -- see Spanish language in the Americas... AnonMoos (talk) 02:45, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * According to es:Inmigración_gallega_en_Argentina (in Spanish), 14% of Argentine are from Galicia. Basque diaspora claims 2% of Mexico are from Basque country. Qlearn (talk) 11:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


 * No disrespect to the Basques and the Galicians, but it's the poorer/least assimilated members of a society who are most likely to emigrate. 86.152.81.16 (talk) 12:01, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't believe this is the case. And I'd like to see any source about it.
 * Many emigrate due to wars, famines, political and religious persecutions. The poorer you are, the more difficult it will be.
 * Corporate workers often see it as a career opportunity. In this case, you won't call them immigrants, but expats, which is basically the same.
 * The same apply to academic workers. These would go wherever it has to be to advance in their careers. Qlearn (talk) 00:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * In the 19th-century, immigrants to the U.S. included both South Italian peasants (usually uneducated and desperately impoverished), and German 1848-ers (political dissidents who were often highly-educated). However, people who are content and satisfied in their social role usually don't emigrate... AnonMoos (talk) 16:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * See European Potato Failure and the sources appended thereto. 86.152.81.16 (talk) 18:03, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Persecution of the Experts
Are the lady's claims here historically documented or to be found even in an unreliable source?


 * David Graham Bell went to jail because he said he could talk over a wire from town to town
 * Marconi went to an insane asylum because he said he could communicate without a wire

and whatever else she goes on to say? DroneB (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The Marconi story is well-documented hooey -- that is, the source of it is clear, but the conclusion is nonsense. One of his letters to the Italian Ministry of Posts (or something like that) resulted in the comment "send this guy to the nuthouse" (or something like that) from some functionary. But he was never institutionalized or anything like that. Do you mean Alexander Graham Bell, perhaps? --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 18:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Amazing the rubbish some people say with such conviction. Dmcq (talk) 10:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)