Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2019 April 28

= April 28 =

Sport country codes deviating from IOC
As can be seen in the comparison of alphabetic country codes, there are over 20 countries for which the FIFA uses a different code from the IOC. But checking the country codes of other sports organisations such as the FINA, the IAAF, the CGF, the FIDE and the FIA, I came to the impression that This raises the questions: --KnightMove (talk) 03:14, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * all of them strictly stick to the IOC codes (with possible exceptions at recent changes not applied at the same time, e.g. Singapore switching from SIN to SGP in 2016)
 * for non-IOC-members, each organisation adds a rather arbitrary country code in its own right. Example: For the Turks and Caicos Islands, the FINA uses TCN, the IAAF TKS, and the CGF the official ISO 3166-2 code of TCA.
 * 1) Does anybody know a non-FIFA example of a country code used by an international sports organisation deviating from an existing IOC code?
 * 2) Are there sources explicitly stating that a respective international sports organisation uses the IOC code, provided it exists for a specific member country?
 * 3) Are there known logics for addition of country codes which are not member of the IOC?

What's the name of this Ottoman vilayet?
I'm sorry for asking so many questions today (I thought that I was done for today but then this question came up), but here goes: Does anyone here know what the name of the Ottoman vilayet west of Trebizond and north of Sivas is? :

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Proportions_des_populations_en_Asie_Mineure_statistique_officielle_d1914.png

I honestly can't read the writing on that map. Futurist110 (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Looking further at this map, this Ottoman vilayet might be called Djanik in French (this map is in French). However, I can't read the word before Djanik on this map and I also don't know the name for this Ottoman vilayet in English. Futurist110 (talk) 03:33, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Looking at other maps, the location is near the city of Samsun (in French Samsoun), which is now the capital of Samsun Province. The illegible word seems to start with "Sa" or "Se", so I suggest that it is some variation of that place name. --76.69.46.228 (talk) 04:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * That illegible word might be either "Samsun" or "Samsoun." At least, that's my guess. Futurist110 (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Canik (/d͡ʒanik/, which would appear as "Djanik" in French orthography) "is one of the main municipalities in Samsun, Turkey", . --ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Further, Samsun says "In the later Ottoman period, it became part of the Sanjak of Canik (Turkish: Canik Sancağı)" --ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for this information! Indeed, it's possible that the illegible word is indeed "Samsun" or "Samsoun." Futurist110 (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Who are the current members of the Pan-African Parliament?
I am very new to the website and recently noticed that the list of MPs to the PAP is a decade out of date. I dont know if this is the right place for this, but can you help me find a source so I can update the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngstyHippo (talk • contribs) 04:05, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Our article Pan-African Parliament has been marked as needing updated since 2016. The five members of the bureau hare listed here http://www.panafricanparliament.org/index.php/bureau, but I can't find a full list of the parliment's members, apart from the fact that each country appoints 5 members. LongHairedFop (talk) 12:07, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Likewise, I spent some time looking for this and was completely unable to find any list of the current membership anywhere. I've found sources with individuals being named to the parliament, but nothing comprehensive. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 16:18, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The website here does not seem to be well updated. Several sections are blank except for the header, the only thing that seems to be regularly updated is the press releases on the home page.  It does appear they are still meeting, as the "second session of the fifth parliament" is supposed to meet in May, 2019.  See here.  However, I can't find any list of members of the fifth parliament.  The List of members of the Pan-African Parliament at Wikipedia appears 10 years out of date.  This article lists some of the members as of 2018.  -- Jayron 32 18:26, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Quotes on Allen Ginsberg
In the final paragraph of the above article's section Style and technique, there a several quotes supposedly taken from the source cited in the pertinent reference. However, the quote beginning with "a beat poet whose writing was" as well as the susequent ones are apparently taken from a different source, as they cannot be found in the cited NYT 1997 article. So where are they actually from? (Unfortunately, Google doesn't say.) Thanks in advance for any support!--Hildeoc (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW this was the first edit of an IP editor (who only made a few other edits) on 4 January 2015 diff.--Shantavira|feed me 06:48, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I see the first of your quotes there in the NYT obit, but not the one after that. Quick google search doesn't find anything but I'm inclined to AGF and keep looking for a while. Unfortunately McClatchy died last year, so can't usefully ask him.  173.228.123.207 (talk) 09:38, 29 April 2019 (UTC)