Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2019 December 27

= December 27 =

Maps of Indonesian sultanates, kingdoms, and other princely states?
Like the Indian subcontinent before decolonization and Africa, Indonesia used to consist of a collection of diverse states ruled by hereditary monarchs of various titles and most of them were able to maintain their existence even during the Dutch East Indies with the notable exception of Aceh. Many of the ones in Sumatra and Borneo were Malay sultanates in the same category of those in modern Malaysia. Even today, these traditional princely states have been receiving more official and media recognition compared to the pretenders in India or Pakistan according to the info in the article List of current constituent Asian monarchs.

Does anyone have or could anyone find any comprehensive and credible map of Indonesian princely states from Sumatra to West Papua, besides those of Yogyakarta and Surakarta?

The only ones I found are:
 * https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=514239
 * https://www.euratlas.net/history/hisatlas/insulindia/194102IN.html

The first one is not even close to comprehensive while the second one is too small and blurry since it is a preview of the real map for sale by Euratlas for around $40. I would appreciate any assistance. Thank you 70.95.44.93 (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Category:Maps of Indonesia? Alansplodge (talk) 13:02, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There is a map called "Early Sultanates" at Indonesia: Peoples and Histories by Jean Gelman Taylor (p. 61). Alansplodge (talk) 13:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Best online collection of pre-colonial maps of Indonesia I could find are the ones at http://maps.library.leiden.edu/apps/s7 (searching on specific islands gives pretty good results), but even that didn't look like it really had what you are looking for. Good luck.  Kmusser (talk) 21:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Tahitiens: répertoire biographique de la Polynésie française
I am trying to understand these two French books. There was a 1962 edition and a 1975 edition. When I used to be in college, I could only get the 1962 edition through a loan, but I have forgotten the content except for a section about Pōmare III. I know the pages are different across each editions. For example, the Pomare III section is on pages 366–367 on pages 447-448 of the 1975 edition. My question is what is the difference in the two editions. Also some Google Book entries excludes Raoul Teissier and I remember not seeing Teissier's name on the 1962 edition when I borrowed it years ago (although I may be mis-remembering this). So what was the extent of Teissier's contribution?

First edition Second edition
 * https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/869557295
 * https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/757262220
 * https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/954262986
 * https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/954262986

If you have access to any of these copies, I am also requesting it on WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request/Archive_81. Thanks, KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Eugène Hänni
Trying to find other sources with more specifics of Eugène Hänni who was in Leeward Islands from 1895 to 1896 (according to this ). I would like to know more details and also possibly exact dates of his presence and if he visited Tahit as well. KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This guy? . page 71 looks to be his arrival in Papeete.&mdash;eric 21:00, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Also review and some bio.&mdash;eric 21:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * "Eugène Hänni 1870-1908 is a Swiss merchant who travelled to Oceania and spent several months in the Leeward Islands in 1895-1896, visiting the "reigning families" there. Hanni ruminates on plans for philatelic speculation and dreams of seeing these "governments" issue stamps from which he would benefit. He is Swiss, so we don't have to be surprised to see him in contact with Itchner, who has this nationality; he is a merchant, so we find it natural that he is thinking about making some money by publishing postcards at a time when postcard fashion has already got off to a good start in Germanic countries. We find "E. HANNI, publisher" on postcards depicting scenes of indigenous life, and groups of royal families, at RAI ATE A, BORABORA, MOOREA and TAHITI". Bulletin de la Société des études océaniennes, Issues 174-185 (1971) p. 112. The full text in French is here. Alansplodge (talk) 21:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And before you ask, "Albert Edouard Itchner. a Swiss of that name, who died in Papeete on 29 December 1939, lived in Huahine at the end of the last century. He married there around 1896 or 1897 and had seven children, the last of whom is honorably known in Papeete. Albert Edouard Itchner owned a shop in Faré, at the northern end of Huahine. We have a datable image of them, thanks to his postcards, since it was taken "after a cyclone", more than likely that of 1906 which left traces in local history. The chroniclers of the time tell us that on February 7 of 1906, 'a huge blade (?) entered the village carrying the copra shops of the residents Marcantoni and Itchner'" (ibid p. 106) Alansplodge (talk) 21:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Les Sorciers du bout du monde by Fanch Guillemin (pp. 296-297) suggests that Hänni was part of a tour of the Leeward Islands made by général de la République Isidore Chessé accompanied by Paul Gauguin and Hinoï Pōmare, in 1894. Alansplodge (talk) 21:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Any explanation for Trois ans chez les Canaques? I only see one reference to New Caledonia.&mdash;eric 21:56, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * "Les Tahitiens ne sont pas des Canaques. Les appeler Canaques est la plus grande injure que vous puissiez leur faire. Nous nous rappe lons l'indignation avec laquelle de tout petits gamins répon daient à des soldats français : « Nous ne sommes pas des Cana ques. » — - Les Canaques sont les habitants de la Nouvelle Calédonie que les Polynésiens, à tort ou à raison, considèrent comme un peuple inférieur. Mais ce qu'il y a de piquant, c'est que le mot Canaque vient du mot polynésien Tangata (pro noncé à Tahiti taata), qui signifie « Homme ». Les Tahitiens ne devraient donc pas être froissés d'être appelés des « Hom mes i, et cependant ils le sont d'être appelés Canaques."
 * review by Paul Huguenin Bulletin de la Société neuchâteloise de géographie&mdash;eric 22:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * But see also Kanaka (Pacific Island worker) which suggests a wider definition. Alansplodge (talk) 22:19, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Isidore Chessé
Thanks for all the sources to pick through. It is confounding to even see that little to nothing is even written about the European side of the story. Hopefully, I can get a feature article quality article out of this with Annexation of the Leeward Islands. Sectioning this off from above. Mainly stemming from User:Alansplodge’s comments about Chessé‘s expedition in Les Sorciers du bout du monde. Can we find more sources and context of Chessé‘s expeditions in the 1880s and in the 1890s (more important the latter)? I know Chessé was responsible for king Pomare V’s abdication and convincing King Tahitoe and his government to allow a provisional protectorate in 1880 over Raiatea. He was a commsiona general of the Republic according to List of colonial and departmental heads of French Polynesia for the two years it took for him to set up the provisional protectorate at Raiatea in 1880 and for a governor to be set up. What happened to him in the intervening years? The 1894 date confuses me since I’ve seen sources that Gauguin witness the rebellion of Teraupo’o in 1895 or that Chessé was instrumental in the abdication of Queen Tehaapapa III of Huahine in 1895. Wondering also if he had anything to do with Queen Teriimaevarua III’s abdication in the the following week on Bora Bora? KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you want to see more of the European side of the story, i am slogging through with lot's of references to Chessé. Caillot's introduction you could say has a French perspective.&mdash;eric 23:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Was the photographer Jules Agostini also part of this expedition? KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:14, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * An obituary says he remained as administrator in Tahiti until 1883 when he was appointed governor of Guyana, and retired in 1887. (this gives September 27 and 30 for Huahine and Bora Bora)..
 * fr:Liste des gouverneurs de Guyane has 1883-1884
 * He arrived in Uturoa October 17, 1895 and once again had the title of Commissioner General of the Republic.(Caillot)
 * Chessé arrived Papeete August 5, 1895. September 17 and 21 for Huahine and Bora Bora. He returned to Papeete December 25, and left for France January 5, 1896..
 * Hänni imples the abdication in Bora Bora was due to payments arranged by Chessé (Hänni) I'm pretty sure his mandate covered negotiations in all the Leeward Islands, but not the use of force.
 * I think Hänni was on Huahine when Chessé arrived in Papeete, but those letters get confusing. Gauguin arrived in Tahiti September 1895 according to the article.
 * fr:Charles Morice in notes to Gauguin's Noa Noa claims Chessé spent a hundred thousand francs in various presents and negotiations
 * pointed to Voyages autour du monde in an earlier question, can't figure out the volume to find an OCR'd version.
 * Now I am questioning if Eugène Hänni was the photographer or just some sort of publisher/editor of the postcards since the above source attributes some photographs to Agostini. I’m assuming they were both on the expedition. KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2019 (UTC)