Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2019 March 29

= March 29 =

Communal child or pet
Do we have an article that covers communal children or pets? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Huh. We have Ship's cat and Library cat, but no general article on communally owned pets that I can find (though the former is a working animal). The idea of communal children goes at least as far back as Republic (Plato), but I don't recall this being given a name, and we certainly don't have an article about the specific idea that I can find, regarding the ancient version of the idea or any other. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * We have Kibbutz communal child rearing and collective education. —2606:A000:1126:28D:84A8:1E5E:5535:59A2 (talk) 02:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Interesting, Someguy1221 and IP. Thank you. Do you think there's enough out there for an article called Communal child rearing or Communal parenting? It seems to google quite well. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:37, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I would first ask if there are sources that treat the issue in a general manner. That would be good fodder for building an article that is more than just a fancy disambiguation page. Someguy1221 (talk) 04:23, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Someguy1221. Disambiguation page? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:35, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Fancy disambiguation page. I mean... we have articles that just a series of short summaries of individual topics, with little to no overarching content, because the sources are always about one specific example and never in a larger context. So the article winds up looking like just a disambiguation page but with a really long description of each related item instead of short ones. Ah, I could be making no sense, in which case just ignore me. It happens sometimes. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:47, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Someguy1221. I think you're making sense. I do understand. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:03, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Coparenting is just a paragraph but maybe it can help. 67.164.113.165 (talk) 05:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes. Coparenting is it. It sure could use expansion. Maybe I will do that. Many thanks. I think I'll make a bunch of redirects to it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Information on Celtic People
Information on celtic people and there system of government, housing and city life and the legacy that civilation left behind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.83.3.63 (talk) 16:39, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, the article you need is called Celts. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Correct sea
Which water does the Horn of Africa peninsula jut into? The Gulf of Aden, the Guardafui Channel, the Arabian Sea, or the Somali Sea? 92.13.134.193 (talk) 21:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that it juts into the Indian Ocean, and its presence helps define those smaller regions. --Khajidha (talk) 22:38, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What if you're trying to be specific? 92.13.134.193 (talk) 00:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're trying to be specific, you would say "It extends hundreds of kilometers into the Arabian Sea and lies along the southern side of the Gulf of Aden." -- Jayron 32 02:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * To be more specific: it juts into the Indian Ocean, forming the Gulf of Aden between itself and the Arabian Peninsula, the waters between the Horn and the island of Socotra form the Guardafui Channel linking the Gulf of Aden to the Somali Sea along the coast of the Horn (part of the country of Somalia), while the waters located between Socotra and the Indian subcontinent form the Arabian Sea. --Khajidha (talk) 04:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You may benefit from seeing this document from the International Hydrographic Organization, which establishes definitions of what body of water is where. It dates from 1953, but it's cited as current in the borders of the oceans article, and this IHO downloads page includes the document in several forms (as if it's current) and gives no suggestion that it's been replaced with a newer edition.  See pages 20 and 22 for the Gulf of Aden, the Arabian Sea, and the Indian Ocean.  Nyttend (talk) 18:36, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * And what it says is that the boundary between the Gulf of Aden and the Arabian Sea is, essentially, a line running north from the tip of the Horn of Africa ("The meridian of Cape Guardafui (Ras Asir, 51&deg;16'E)") while the boundary between the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean begins roughly 100 miles south of that point at the Ras Hafun peninsula and runs approximately ESE from there ("from the South extremity of Addu Atoll (Maldives) to the Eastern extreme of R&agrave;s Hafun (Africa, 10&deg;26'N)").  So if we accept those definitions, then the answer is that the Horn of Africa separates the Gulf of Aden on its north from the Arabian Sea on its east and the Indian Ocean on the south.
 * However, not everyone's usage agrees with the IHO's point of view that a particular bit of water can be part of only one named body of water. Some of us prefer to say that the Indian Ocean includes the Gulf of Aden, and for that matter the Red Sea, and similarly for all other such examples.  From this point of view Khajidha's original answer is correct.  Take your pick. --76.69.46.228 (talk) 22:07, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Even the IHO source given mentions the inclusive versions of the oceans where all the various bays, seas, gulfs, etc are simply named subregions of the larger oceans. --Khajidha (talk) 06:22, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I see where it says at the front that the limits given for the various oceans "exclude the seas lying within each of them". I guess the use of "within" does count as mentioning the inclusive version.
 * Seeing what that document said about the Southern Ocean made me question whether it actually is current, and that led me to Southern Ocean. As you see there, it seems that a new edition of the document has been in draft for a long time and that it switches to the inclusive version of oceans/seas. --76.69.46.228 (talk) 05:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Who remembers when the North Sea was called the German Ocean, and before that the Northern Ocean? 2A00:23C0:7D00:FB01:5C5B:8D67:132D:D4C6 (talk) 10:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * According to North Sea, the "German" designation ended after WWI. So to find anyone who remembers it, you would have to look for someone probably at least 110 years old. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:42, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * German Bight is still used for one part of the North Sea - it's one of the areas in the UK Shipping Forecast. Mikenorton (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We know who to ask .  Apparently the secret of longevity is to avoid dying. 2A00:23C0:7D00:FB01:6DAA:382C:499F:91BD (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)