Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2019 November 22

= November 22 =

Post-hearings impeachment schedule
Is it known when the House of Representatives approves articles of impeachment and when a trial will be held in the Senate (or when something happens after the hearings)? Impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump currently doesn't seem to mention that. 212.180.235.46 (talk) 09:26, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * They've said in the House they want to wrap it up by year's end. There's no indication what, if anything, the Senate will do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:43, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 212.180.235.46 (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Lenina
On this map from 1812, if zoomed and panned to Voskresensk area near Moscow in the upper part, there's a place seemingly labelled as Lénina (slightly to the right from Voskresensk). A Russian overlay of that part on modern map was inconclusive for me and a quick Russian search for that place (Ленина) shows nothing relevant. Is it indeed Lenina or something else? Brandmeistertalk  15:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I looked at some of it. There are three problems. First, that map is not to scale at all. It is very bad. My best guess at finding anything was to follow the Moskva River. Second, many names have changed - some drastically - over the years. So, you have to pick a few places that haven't changed (or changed very little) and use those as points to triangulate. Again, the scale is way off. Third, when a city name stopped being used in one area, it was often used in another area. So, searching a map by town name will likely take you to a completely different location. All I can say is that there are few "Lenina" references left. Most references to Lenin have been destroyed or at least renamed. 135.84.167.41 (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That obviously predates Lenin's birth, so couldn't be named after him. For quicker accessibility I made a crop. Brandmeistertalk  16:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The Voskresensk on the map isn't that Voskresensk. It's an older name for Istra, Istrinsky District, Moscow Oblast.  The "Rojestvino" is still around as Rozhdestveno (ru:Рождествено (село, городской округ Истра)), and "Talitsa" as Talitsy (ru:Талицы (городской округ Истра)).  Your "Lenina" seems to be Lenino (ru:Ленино (Московская область)).  The Russian Wikipedia article says that this name was given in the 19th century by a landowner who gave the village to his daughter, Yelena, and that the older name had been Lupikha.  --Amble (talk) 17:52, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. Brandmeistertalk  18:39, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Titusville, Ohio?
The article on the recently-deceased Frank Joranko has him born in Titusville, Ohio, which is a red link. The source is a newspaper clipping from a newspaper in Benton Harbor, Michigan. He did go to high school in Ohio, but I suspect that the Titusville where he was born was Titusville, Pennsylvania. Can anyone either attest the existence of a Titusville, Ohio now or around 1931, when he was born (my research hasn't turned up anything), or a confirmation that his place of birth was in Pennsylvania. His published obituaries are quite detailed, but do not mention a place of birth. --Xuxl (talk) 15:56, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * GNIS has no such place as Titusville, Ohio. They are very comprehensive, and if it does exist or has ever existed, I would take GNIS as authoritative.  -- Jayron 32 16:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * There is clearly no such place. The reference used in the Joranko article is a blurb from 1973 about him making a speech in Michigan. It be gone. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * There's a scarcity of early information about Joranko on Ancestry.com. The 1940 census is missing, at least under that name. The Ohio death birth index says he was born in Ohio, but no town given. His ancestors came from what is now Ukraine and settled initially in coal mining country in West Virginia before moving to the Cleveland, Ohio area at some point. He was born about 6 months after his parents were married, so maybe they were trying to obscure the past somewhat. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:35, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * And by the way, that dubious citation was posted 9 years ago, by an editor who's still active, though there's no guarantee he would recall much about an old edit. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:12, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Tiltonsville, Ohio?&mdash;eric 19:17, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Class of '48, Euclid High School, Euclid, Ohio.&mdash;eric 19:51, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The Euclid part is well-established. Tiltonsville is theoretically possibly, being not far from West Virginia. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:37, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone. The original 1973 clipping is viewable through the link provided in the article's references, and it does mention a birth in Titusville, Ohio. However, it is likely mistaken given the absence of proof of Titusville's existence, now or then. But it doesn't look as if there are enough elements to establish what the correct birthplace is. Xuxl (talk) 21:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC)