Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2019 September 10

= September 10 =

Painting identification
This painting seems to be public domain, and easily shows in image searches for "Ave Maria". One source says the painting is titled "Ave Maria, Gratia Plena", 16th century, but does not state who is the painter. Is the painter of this art piece known? --IvanStepaniuk (talk) 11:37, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like a zoom of a bigger annunciation painting or fresco, used as cover image for a Schubert's Ave Maria recording. If so, the original record would give credit. BTW there are tons of these: pretty much every catholic church has an annunciation picture, not always with author name. Gem fr (talk) 12:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I searched in TinEye for the oldest uses of the image that it knew about, and one hit was interesting: it was apparently used as a front-cover illustration for volume 1 of a Polish-language edition of The Poem of the Man-God. (This page in Polish seems, based on what I see in Google Translate, to be a table of contents of each volume.)  But that does not help at all in telling where the image comes from! --76.69.116.4 (talk) 08:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * good find. I tried to find the book in googlebooks, since the practice is to credit the image used on the cover, but I failed. Gem fr (talk) 12:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * If that's the oldest occurrence, it's possible it is not as old as it seems, but rather is a modern image, made in that style, perhaps using a similar image as a model, like this one: . It being reused so many times also implies that it isn't copyrighted. SinisterLefty (talk) 13:12, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I didn't say it was the oldest, just one of the oldest that TinEye produced. At most that measures how long it's been on the Net.  Also, being reused many times doesn't imply that there is no copyright, only that there's none that anyone is successfully enforcing. --76.69.116.4 (talk) 20:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)