Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2019 September 13

= September 13 =

"Area Engineered"
What does the phrase "area engineered" refer to in this advertisement? That wording appears twice in that advertisement. In one instance that wording is superimposed on a hand with an index finger pointed down at concentric circles. This would seem to offer a clue, but I can't figure it out. Bus stop (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing "area" means "our own local area", i.e. in this case greater New York. You used to see the word used that way in headlines ("Area man killed in car crash", meaning someone from the local area), so it's not surprising to see it copied into ads.  In other words, the TV set was designed by people from greater New York.  Even today, if Wikipedia is correct, the Emerson Radio company is headquartered in Hackensack, New Jersey. --76.69.116.4 (talk) 04:35, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree. It's funny that they said they couldn't list the price "because it's so low", then gave us clues to figure it out (35 cents a day for 18 months). That's $192, or $1858 adjusted for inflation, plus the deposit. Was that cheap for a 20 inch black and white TV, with only a 5 day guarantee, at the time ? SinisterLefty (talk) 08:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * 1952 was around the time that TV stopped being a semi-experimental technology under development (some early TV sets had small screens with magnifying glasses in front of them!) and started becoming a normal fixture in the living rooms of middle-class homes. AnonMoos (talk) 01:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, it may mean something like "locally manufactured". And it now occurs to me me that the pointing finger may be comparable to a "You are here" on a map. Bus stop (talk) 12:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The concentric ellipses are adorned with a wave, which imho damages the geographic interpretation. —Tamfang (talk) 17:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree, Tamfang, that the concentric ellipses seem to be adorned with a wave, which would seem to support the "good reception" interpretation of the phrase "area engineered". I think signals are propagated in waves. Bus stop (talk) 19:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * +1 . If this is not the correct interpretation, I am just another fooled. Gem fr (talk) 15:22, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Another possibility: "area engineered" means there's not just one place in the room where you get a good view of this TV's image; it is designed for the whole area where viewers might sit. —Tamfang (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Or that it's engineered to work specifically in the New York/New Jersey area where it is sold. However, the place you use it (either within a house or in the world) would dictate the type of antenna, not the TV itself. Of course, they could still make the false claim that those TVs are somehow better at picking up signals in that area. The claim could actually mean the TV only comes with rabbit ears, since that New York/New Jersey area is relatively flat and densely populated, so many TV signals probably get through with a minimal antenna. SinisterLefty (talk) 17:28, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Another possibility I consider is that "area engineered" is meant to imply "good reception". "Reception can also refer to the quality of a broadcast signal, as received by a TV or radio." Of course the advertisement is not saying what makes this possible. Bus stop (talk) 19:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

"George and Gladstone" - Lloyd George campaign song
In we read "Lloyd George had his own campaign song, "George and Gladstone," whose lyrics were composed in Welsh and English by the versatile candidate himself to the tune of "Marching Through Georgia." This and more scurrilous Welsh songs were belted out by gangs of Liberal toughs to disrupt Conservative rallies, while the Tories resorted to the traditional methods of intimidation, no longer as effective as in the old days". I would very much like to know the lyrics to "George and Gladstone", thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 11:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Clarifying question - is this different from The Land (song), which is also to the Marching Through Georgia tune and also originated in a Lloyd George campaign? Its author is unknown, however. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 16:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Same tune, different words as far as I can make out. The election campaign Don Cregier is writing about was in 1890, The Land' as a Liberal anthem dates from around the time of the People's Budget (1909), and the two general elections which followed, as the article you linked says. Marching Through Georgia itself has an obvious appeal to Liberals like Lloyd George who revered the memory of Abraham Lincoln and the Union's victory in the American Civil War, and while I have no citation for it, I strongly suspect he would have been familiar with the tune as played by the brass bands that flourished in Britain at the time. In 1890 although Lloyd George was already familiar with Georgist land tax ideas, he wasn't campaigning for them. DuncanHill (talk) 16:56, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Alas, that song is mucking up the search results a bit. I have found one reference which, although it doesn't give the lyrics, says that they were all in Welsh except the line "George and Gladstone", which was the last line. There was one song of which, being in Welsh, I did not, of course, understand a word, except the finale which was always "George and Gladstone," sung with tremendous emphasis and which rang in my head for days and days afterwards. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 17:10, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I see now that that is in fact used by Cregier as one of his sources! It strikes me on reading it that the finale could well be "Lloyd George and Gladstone", which would fit the metre and Lawson may not have recognised the Welsh pronunciation of Lloyd. DuncanHill (talk) 17:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Frank Owen, Tempestuous journey: Lloyd George, his life and times (New York 1955) says on p. 71:

"Lustily they bellowed (to the tune of 'Marching Through Georgia') the Lloyd George Battle Song: 'Hurrah!"

"Hurrah, hurrah" are the first words of the first two lines of the original chorus. 2A00:23C4:7998:4600:B144:CFBA:2A08:B37D (talk) 17:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah thanks for that! That's from the 1892 election. Fuller quote from Frank Owen:

Hurrah! Hurrah! We're ready for the fray! Hurrah! Hurrah! We'll drive Sir John away! The "Grand Young Man" will triumph, Lloyd George will win the day FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF CAMBRIA!
 * So it looks like he reused it suitably adapted. DuncanHill (talk) 17:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * And "Lloyd George Battle Song" led me to this in The War After the War by Isaac Frederick Marcosson: "An ardent Home Ruler, he swayed his followers with such intensity that what came to be known as Lloyd George's Battle Song sprang into being. Sung to the American tune of "Marching Through Georgia" it was hailed as the fighting hymn of Welsh Nationalism. Two lines show where the young Welsh lawyer stood in his early twenties: they also point his whole future:
 * "The Grand Young Man will triumph,
 * Lloyd George will win the day!" DuncanHill (talk) 17:41, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Toilet provision planning
How many times do 200 average adults use a toilet over a 5 hour period between breakfast and lunchtime? How many toilets need to be available? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know about frequency of use or about "between breakfast and lunchtime", but you might find some pointers in work safety rules that specify how many toilets a workplace needs to provide depending on workforce size. For instance, a German rule demands a minimum of between 10 and 17 toilets for a workforce of 200, depending on whether people are free to use them across all parts of the workday or whether demand will concentrate on certain intervals only. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:08, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, by "between breakfast and lunchtime" I mean that neither meal will be served at the venue. People will arrive after having breakfast and leave to have lunch elsewhere. I've been asked to help plan a morning outdoor event, and sanitation landed up on my to-do list. In my (personal) experience toilet use peaks at mealtimes, so that should have an effect on demand. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Use should actually peak a bit after mealtimes, which means you should be sure to have all the toilets ready to use at the start of the event, with use tapering off later. Also note that if you serve beverages or have water available (and you really should for a 5 hour event), then more toilets will be needed, for urination. If you intend to have gender-specific toilets, then you may also need to consider that it takes women longer to urinate than men, and you may also want to provide a separate "powder room" for people to check hair, make-up and such, so they don't block toilet access while doing so. A simple mirror would suffice, although adding a sink would be better. Windy or sweaty conditions make this more of an issue. SinisterLefty (talk) 17:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * This Event Toilet Calculator, devised by a toilet hire company, suggests 2 toilets for 200 during a 6 hour period. Seems rather on the low side, but then again, a hire company is not going to tell you that you need less than is necessary. This one also suggests only 2 toilets. Alansplodge (talk)
 * Thanks all, we've decided to go with two for each gender and one non-gendered for people with mobility impairments. Too few would be a disaster while too many is merely a minor cost issue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Going with non-gendered for all will be more efficient. Having 2+2 causes line-ups when as little as three people choose to go at the same time. Unless there's a specific reason to have them separate (e.g. the event is split by gender), going with all-non-gendered will increase flow, if you'll forgive the phrase. Matt Deres (talk) 13:56, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Portrait of Lloyd George by W. H. Caffyn
My copy of lacks the cover portrait of David Lloyd George by W. H. Caffyn which it originally enjoyed. I have been unable to find an image of the portrait, or indeed much about Caffyn (though he seems to have produced recruitment posters in the First World War). Can anyone help please? DuncanHill (talk) 12:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Could this be it? It's crooked so I'm wondering if its not an actual frontspiece but the cover portrait cut out and glued inside the book. Is there a frontspiece in your own copy? 70.67.193.176 (talk) 17:59, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That looks like the 1911 portrait of Lloyd George in his robes as Chancellor of the Exchequer by Christopher Williams. My copy of Evans does not have a frontispiece. DuncanHill (talk) 18:41, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Though hang on, what my copy actually says is "A lithographic reproduction, size 20x15 (by Mr W. H. Caffyn), of the portrait of Mr. Lloyd George which appears on the cover of this book can be obtained at all booksellers and Art Dealers at 1s. net, or on superior paper (mounted on linen) signed by the Artist-lithographer at 5s. net. Copies can also be obtained direct from EVERYMAN, 11 Warwick Lane, at 1s. 3d. or 5s. 3d. post free". So it is possible the portrait is by someone other than Caffyn, but I read "the Artist-lithographer" to mean that Caffyn was both. DuncanHill (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The archive.org copy linked above has an ex-libris plate for the University of Toronto. The digitised copy at Hathi Trust has the same portrait (also slightly askew) but is stamped "Library of the Union Theological College New York", so this must be the correct frontispiece. Alansplodge (talk) 19:07, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I shall send off my 5 and thruppence forthwith! DuncanHill (talk) 19:12, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Africa
I am please looking for episodes 1 through X, of the show in the link above which features episode 6. Thank you.

Edit conflict. I am not able to post yhe linknto Youtube as this is blacklist ed apparently... The irony. Please delete yhe spaces here... https:// youtu.be /wJ1uo5 jvpe8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.200.227 (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The link works for me if the spaces are removed. I can't explain why the link cant be posted as it should be.  However in relation to the request for the other episodes perhaps check the comments or ask the poster of the video to Youtube.  Several years ago Youtube claimed to have every video ever published, now while this is almost certainly not true, they should have the other episodes to this show.Though with simply a title, Africa, they maybe very hard to find.  Another option would be to review the titles and credits and contact the makers.  Good luck. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 15:56, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Search youtube.com for 'Africa David Basildon' and you will find all episodes 1 - 8. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 14:36, 18 September 2019 (UTC)