Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2020 June 27

= June 27 =

Seals of governors of the U.S. states
On this article, it shows Jack Markell on the seal of Delaware. But this person is not governor anymore since 2017. Can someone change it? 1.55.210.155 (talk) 15:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I've put in a request at the Commons Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop. --Lambiam 18:34, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅And now it should be up to date. Thanks for noticing. --Lambiam 20:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Butlers wearing yellow-and-black stripes
Two fictional butlers - Twelvetrees in You Rang M'Lord and Nestor in The Adventures of Tintin  - both wear distinctive black-and-yellow striped waistcoats. Can anyone tell me more? Amisom (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Are not the wasp-stripped waistcoats part of a footmans uniform rather than a Butler. MilborneOne (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Regardless, can anyone tell me more? Amisom (talk) 17:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Google shows horizontal stripes for indoor use and vertical stripes for outdoors and Livery has a mention about Livery Vests. MilborneOne (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The Maigret's World: A Reader's Companion to Simenon's Famous Detective (p. 192) has under a heading of Valets and Butlers: "...outfits — for the valet, either a striped waistcoat, or a white jacket.."  Alansplodge (talk) 18:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And from Not Just Batman's Butler: The Autobiography of Alan Napier (p. 79); "Almost at once the double doors were flung open by two footmen—two, not one—uniformed in wasp-striped waistcoats, who stood at attention..." Alan Napier played Alfred Pennyworth, Bruce Wayne's butler in the 1960s live-action Batman television series, but the quote is from an actual event in the 1920s. Alansplodge (talk) 18:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * One more: Country House Society: The Private Lives of England's Upper Class After the First World War (p. 227) "All footmen [had] yellow and black striped waistcoats". Alansplodge (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Bingo! Philadelphia Museum of Art - Man's Waistcoat. The caption reads: "Some uniforms included distinctive striped waistcoats; footmen who assisted the butler indoors traditionally wore horizontal stripes, while outdoor attendants sported vertical stripes". Alansplodge (talk) 18:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Treaty of Annexation of Hawaii, 1893 and 1897
Can someone help me find the 1893 treaty of annexation for Hawaii and the 1897 treaty of annexation? Preferably something that is easier to browse through than a Google Book. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * 1893: I don't know if there was any treaty proposal drafted in 1893 but see the documents in this PDF beginning at page 43; perhaps that's what you're looking for.
 * 1897: I found the text of the unratified treaty here (HTML) and here (PDF).
 * Mathew5000 (talk) 01:44, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Great. I think the alohaquest ones would be fine. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Follow up questions, where can I find a complete compilation of the discussions about the treaty's ratification in the US Senate (presumably in some minutes of the US Senate). KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually there was a treaty proposed in 1893:
 * Office of the Historian, U.S. Department of State, President Harrison's message to the Senate along with the text of the treaty itself  (Feb. 1893)
 * Another source for the 1893 treaty text, from AlohaQuest
 * President Cleveland's message to the Senate, withdrawing the treaty (March 1893)
 * For the Senate's deliberations on the proposed treaties of 1893 and 1897, you might find them in the records of the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. Mathew5000 (talk) 03:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Those would be and ? It seems these records are not digitized, though. I’ve tried searching strings like “Hawaii 1893” and “Hawaii 1897” in the “Senate Committee on Foreign Relations (1816- )” tab. For 1893, it comes up with records from the 53rd session that are not digitized. For 1897 it only comes up with a petition by the Women’s Hawaiian Patriotic League against the annexation of Hawaii . Anyone else having better luck? 70.67.193.176 (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)