Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2020 June 5

= June 5 =

Juneteenth celebrations
In working on Juneteenth, I found that supposedly all but four states recognize or observe the holiday (CNN). However, one of those states is Montana, which seems to have designated it as something in 2017. The CRS concurs. What could be the reason for the discrepancy? Eddie891 Talk Work 00:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Is it a paid holiday anywhere? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:09, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it's often celebrated on the third Sunday in June for the very reason that it isn't a paid holiday. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * On the national Juneteenth observence foundation website they say that Pennsylvania has already recognized it in 2011 not in 2019 like the article claims. The foundation agrees with CRS on this. I would imagine that the CNN article is just wrong and the foundation hasn't updated their list since 2016 since Montana passed their legislation in 2017 and New Hampshire passed theirs in 2019 according to the CRS. That leaves us with three states that haven't recognized as a holiday as of June 2020: Hawaii, North Dakota, and South Dakota. Nathanrosswilson (talk) 04:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As was pointed out over a week ago!

- 89.240.119.152 11:47, 5 June 2020

Balfour at Eton
During the crisis over the passage of the Parliament Act 1911 Arthur Balfour wrote to Lady Elcho about the behaviour of parts of the Unionist Party towards him. He said "As you know I am very easy-going, and not given to brooding over my wrongs. But last Friday and Saturday I could think of nothing else: a thing which has not happened to me since I was unjustly 'complained of' at Eton more than forty years ago!" What was the unjust Etonian complaint? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 00:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "When Arthur Balfour was at Eton...he eschewed football and cricket...and [his classmates] turned up their noses at him and gave him the uncomplimentary sobriquet of 'Miss Nancy'." Maybe something to do with this? --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 01:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "Under doctor's orders I was excused early school; I was not sufficiently robust to excel at football, too shortsighted to enjoy cricket; and in those far-off days a boy, though he might be shortsighted, was not expected to wear spectacles". The same account recalls Balfour being awarded second prize for an essay, which he was told should have come first but for the poor quality of his other work. Alansplodge (talk) 11:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Brenda Bettinson, finding acceptable sources
The artist's agent contacted me about my article about artist Brenda Bettinson and asked me to get these sources into the article. I can't figure out how I should look for them.

"https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-education s "National Diploma in Design" was granted to Brenda Bettinson in 1950

Bettinson studied at

1946 - 48  St Martin's School of Art, London

1948 - 50  Central School of Arts & Crafts, London

these art schools are now part of the University of the Arts https://www.arts.ac.uk/ this might be useful too?: https://www.arts.ac.uk/alumni-and-friends"

These are just splash pages and their search boxes haven't given me anything useful. How would I find this kind of information?? Thanks so much for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiantHyssop (talk • contribs) 21:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Her 'Diploma in Design' is noted here (no date):
 * That source also mentions:
 * Élève Titulaire de l’ École Pratique des Hautes Études, Sorbonne, University of Paris, France
 * No luck otherwise. 107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Her studies in London and Paris are detailed at: . Alansplodge (talk) 11:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


 * An earlier question was at Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2020 March 23. Not all snippets from there are used in the article, like that she was a student of of Raymond Bloch at the École pratique des hautes études, or info from the biographical/historical note one one of the Maine Women Writers Collection web pages on the UNE Library Services website (more easily accessible online than the current ref [7] with the same content). What appears most missing to me, as a reader, is some description or characterization of her art. --Lambiam 13:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

These sources have previously been questioned, I did have them in the initial draft. Also, I have been sent the actual documents. Can I cite them somehow. Also @Lambian, how would I go about finding an acceptable source that's a characterization of her art? There are some that are written by her gallery, but I think that doesn't qualify. -- GiantHyssop (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)