Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2020 March 31

= March 31 =

Isobel Osborne
Did Isobel Osbourne live in Hawaii from 1883 to 1889? What prompt her family to move there and why was she living there? How does this coincide with her stepfather Robert Louis Stevenson's visit to the Pacific in 1889? Why did she wait until 1891 to move to Samoa? Where was she in the intervening years? KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)



Trento is/was linguistically Venetian?
According to the linguistic maps of Italy on here, Trentino can be divided into a Lombard-speaking western part comprising around a third of its total area and a Venetian-speaking eastern part for other two-third. The provincial capital city of Trento/Trent/Trient/Trident has historically been in the Venetian speaking area, correct? 70.95.44.93 (talk) 07:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hmm, Italian wikipedia gives the city its own dialect. "Trentinian" does get mentioned on English Wiki in Gallo-Italic_languages but the link redirects to Trento. But there's another mention of "Trentinian" in Ladin language - that article seems to have the most useful discussion. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 20:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The Italian Wikipedia says (in the article Dialetti trentini) that dialectically the Trentino dialect area can roughly be devided into three zones. In the Western zone, the dialects are strongly influenced by Eastern Lombard. In the Eastern zone, the dialect is clearly Veneto. In the central zone between these two, which contains the city of Trent, the dialect used to be more similar to the Western valley but is now in an "advanced phase of Venetianization". (A reference is given which I have not attempted to find.) So, according to this info, Trento was historically in the Lombard-speaking area, but Veneto is advancing from the East and is in the process of taking over. The map in our article on the Languages of Italy suggests a mixture of Lombard and Veneto in the central part of Trentino. --Lambiam 21:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That would imply a sort of Dialect continuum across the region; which is rather expected and common in these situations. -- Jayron 32 13:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ping User:Jaqen. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the ping! I must say that while I'm from Trento I am not an expert in this topic, and in particular I don't know much about the historical situation. However, I am sure of some things, but of course I am not a source:
 * There is not a single Trentinian dialect, every valley has its own
 * Ladin, Mòcheno, Nones and Cimbrian are entirely different stories
 * In the city of Trento except some dialectal words we mostly don't speak dialect (I suppose this is because of immigration)
 * Rovereto (25 km south of Trento) has been dominated by the Republic of Venice from some time, Trento never was.
 * I can also confirm that it:Dialetti trentini argues that the dialects of the Western valleys are influenced by the Lombard language/dialect and those of the Eastern valleys by the Venetian one, but this is not something I have direct knowledge of. --Jaqen (talk) 07:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

book series
Hi. I wonder if anyone can help me identify a certain series of books.

It's an elementary-school anthology / reader from the 70's or 80's. Large thin harcover. One of the stories is All Summer in a Day by Ray Bradbury. Another is a excerpt from one of the Narnia books, I think possibly The Magician's Nephew.

Has anyone every heard of these books? I know my information is vague... Duomillia (talk) 18:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * A quick look at Google brings up the Impressions Reading Series, which includes " the works of C. S. Lewis, A. A. Milne, Dr. Seuss, Ray Bradbury...". A description appears in Literature Suppressed on Religious Grounds (p. 147) (which may be why it's not around anymore). Alansplodge (talk) 19:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)