Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2020 October 23

= October 23 =

more ancient fragment of a play (theatre)
The Persians is the more ancient play(theatre) that we know complete, what fragment of a play (theatre) is  more ancient that we know?--93.61.55.121 (talk) 15:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Aeschylus himself had earlier fragments than The Persians. This list contains all of the known fragments of his works, there's only 7 complete works, of which The Persians is one of them.  There's also some works attributed to Thespis, but nothing authenticated, many (if not all) works attributed to him were later determined to be forgeries.  -- Jayron 32 15:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Apparently we have fragments of Phrynichus' Phoenician Women (476 BC), on which The Persians was based. --Antiquary (talk) 21:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Which present-day Western monarchs married other royals, nobles, and/or aristocrats (as opposed to commoners)?
Which present-day Western monarchs married other royals, nobles, and/or aristocrats (as opposed to commoners)? Futurist110 (talk) 22:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Princess Elizabeth married an obscure former Greek prince who had just been raised to the peerage. DuncanHill (talk) 23:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Good example! What else? Futurist110 (talk) 23:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Possibly of interest: Henrik,_Prince_Consort_of_Denmark Haukur (talk) 23:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow! She married someone with an extremely rare pedigree--specifically a pseudo-noble! Similar to how Jeff Bezos is a pseudo-Hispanic! Futurist110 (talk) 01:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Some aristocracy nerds also got a kick out of this marriage: Olympia_von_und_zu_Arco-Zinneberg Haukur (talk) 23:53, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoléon is not currently a monarch. StellarHalo (talk) 23:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep--simply a royal claimant to a non-existent throne. Futurist110 (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Imperial, not royal. In France that's an important distinction. —Tamfang (talk) 00:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein married a countess from a Bohemian princely family. StellarHalo (talk) 23:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Futurist110 (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * He is not monarch anymore but Albert II of Belgium married a daughter of an Italian Prince-Duke. Also King Philippe of Belgium married a daughter of a Belgian count. StellarHalo (talk) 00:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Futurist110 (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The only other European monarch is Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein, who married Countess Georgina von Wilczek. Alansplodge (talk) 12:02, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I checked every country (Spain, Andorra, Luxembourg, Monaco, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, San Marino) but not Liechtenstein.  I see why - StellarHalo mentioned it last night.   StellarHalo mentions Princess Marie and Alansplodge mentions Countess Georgina who was actually the wife of Franz Josef II. 92.27.12.232 (talk) 13:33, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I think we have the lot then. Not a monarch (yet) but perhaps a mention of Prince Charles, who married Lady Diana Spencer of the aristocratic Spencer family, and we all know that didn't end well. Alansplodge (talk) 17:45, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course even Camilla Rosemary Shand while a commoner, counted Roland Cubitt, 3rd Baron Ashcombe as her maternal grandfather. Nil Einne (talk) 02:18, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The pretender of Hanover is married to Caroline of Monaco. —Tamfang (talk) 00:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)