Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2020 October 24

= October 24 =

==Were the male members of the House of Dreux and House of Artois actually recognized as princes du sang in France before these two Capetian houses became extinct in the male line in the late 15th century?== Were the male members of the House of Dreux and House of Artois actually recognized as princes du sang in France before these two Capetian houses (or cadet branches) became extinct in the male line in the late 15th century? I am asking because members of the Capetian House of Courtenay were never actually recognized as princes du sang in spite of them actively petitioning to be recognized as such on numerous occasions. Futurist110 (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * According to the French Wikipedia's article for Prince du sang, the title of Prince of the Blood was only became official in 1576 through an edict issued by Henry III. Since both the House of Dreux and House of Artois were already extinct by then, the male members of those branches were never considered princes du sang. StellarHalo (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That French Wikipedia article also says this--English translation: "The term "prince of the blood" nevertheless appeared in xv th century, to describe members of progeny lineages St. Louis thus belong to the French royal lineage and are able to succeed to the Crown in case of extinction of the royal family, that is, of the king, of his sons, and of the sons of his sons. It succeeded the expressions "princes of the fleur-de-lys" and "princes of the blood of France"." Futurist110 (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well since, neither the House of Dreux nor the House of Artois were descended from Louis IX, they were most likely never considered prince du sang. Not really that surprising considering how much importance was given to St. Louis by his descendants. The name "Louis" was given to sons eight generations straight from Louis XIII onwards. StellarHalo (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)