Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2021 August 13

= August 13 =

Olympic athletes immediately following Games
Immediately after each Summer Olympics and Winter Olympics closing ceremony, do the athletes go back to their respective Olympic Village(s) and pick up their packed bags, or do they just go to the host city's international airport?2603:7000:8101:58A0:412:4DDE:E611:E730 (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't notice, quite a few of them had already left town before the closing ceremonies started. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In the 2016 Rio Olympics, the Olympic Village officially closed three days after the ending ceremonies. In Tokyo, "Athletes and sport specific team officials must depart no more than 48 hours after the completion of their competition or when they are eliminated (whichever is sooner). Athletes and team officials who do not depart the Village within 48 hours of elimination will have their Accreditations deactivated. ... to facilitate social distancing measures. They may stay in Japan but must leave the Village." Clarityfiend (talk) 04:14, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hence the thin attendance at the closing ceremony - several nations had nobody left in Tokyo to attend and their national flag had to be carried by a Japanese volunteer. Alansplodge (talk) 09:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This was in reference to before the COVID-19 pandemic.2603:7000:8101:58A0:412:4DDE:E611:E730 (talk) 10:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My Rio link implies the athletes didn't have to vacate immediately after the closing ceremony. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * There's a thinning-out, so that closing ceremonies do not have nations entering the stadium one by one, because there are significantly fewer athletes left. But this Games was particularly thin at the end because athletes were told to leave after they finished competing and were not allowed outside the Village, to sightsee and whatnot. Imagine Reason (talk) 18:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

If the Russian White Army was victorious in the Russian Civil War, would the Chinese Warlord Era and the Chinese future been affected at all?
If so, how? BurritoQuesadilla (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix surname
A former co-worker of mine posted on Facebook that one of his favourite guitarists, James Marshall Hendricks, was left-handed. Now everywhere I have seen about Jimi Hendrix, his real name was James Marshall Hendrix, not Hendricks. The co-worker also cited a source for his claim, but it might be that the source misspelled the surname too. Who is right here? J I P &#124; Talk 09:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You may doubt Wikipedia, but thou darest not question Rolling Stone. Of course, your ex-acquaintance might be referring to another left-handed guitarist with a similar name. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm 99.99999999999999999% sure that your friend, and his source, is mistaken on the spelling. -- Jayron 32 11:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Next thing you know, you'll claim the Beetles didn't lead the Brutish Invasion. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:14, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This has been brought up a couple of times at Jimi Hendrix's talk page where you can search the archives for "Hendricks". ---Sluzzelin talk  14:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Other patronymic surnames in which an etymological ⟨cks⟩ came to be spelled ⟨x⟩ are Dixon (Dick-son) and Nixon (Nick-son). --Lambiam 21:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But not Jaxon. Except as a given name of the children of goofy parents. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And as in "JAX" as abbreviation for Jacksonville Jaguars in sports reports. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * “JAX” is the airport code for their city you flea infested, long eared vermin. 2600:1003:B462:1926:55D1:5665:F2C1:F70B (talk) 20:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's varmint, to you. Yes, JAX for the Jacksonville airport in Florida, as with LAX for the Lacksonville airport in California. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:27, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

What happens if Newsom resigns?
Either to "avoid being a distraction" or for "health reasons"? Does the Lt. Gov. (whoever that is) automatically step in, with the recall completely going up in smoke like the Cuomo impeachment? (For those not in California, Newsom is the CA governor who is facing a recall election next month: Newsom recall has more info). Thanks. 2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Added: Web search finds a blog post claiming resignation scuttles the recall. I guess it is plausible but I'll look for something more authoritative.  2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 (talk) 22:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * What has he been accused of that could impel him to resign? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If he reckons the recall is likely to win, he might resign to assure that his successor is the Lt. Gov. rather than someone more distasteful to him. (Unless of course he hates the Lt. Gov.) —Tamfang (talk) 01:40, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:12, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The linked blog post is a good explanation. It leaves out though that Newsom (like so many others) let up way too early on Covid countermeasures, so he gets blamed both for a series of incapacitating lockdowns *and* a monstrous run of hospitalizations and fatalities.  People like DeSantis (FL) for keeping the money flowing at the cost of spreading the virus, they like Ardern (NZ) for stopping the pandemic at the cost of slowing NZ's economy, but Newsom managed to get the worst of both worlds. 2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 (talk) 05:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Given that a lot of elections in the US seem to run into "it's too late to change the ballot now" problems, I must wonder: supposing hypothetically that he wanted to resign to forestall the election, how soon would he have to do it? And what if he resigned after that? (Just to be clear, these are questions about California law, not requests for political speculation. Or for legal advice either: recall elections don't exist where I live.) --184.144.99.72 (talk) 05:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But it seems this wouldn't be a case of changing the ballot. My understanding of things (and I'm ready to be wrong if anyone can prove it) is that his resignation would mean that there is no one to "recall". The election would be cancelled and any physical ballots would become so much waste paper to be disposed of.--Khajidha (talk) 12:51, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think we still don't know for sure. He could be recallable retroactively in that situation, i.e. the recall election still happens, to potentially pick his replacement instead of letting the Lt Gov (Eleni Kounalakis who I had never heard of before) succeed him.  Part of the recall law stipulates that the incumbent being recalled is not allowed to appear on the ballot to be his own successor, and that is intended to make sure that if he is recalled then he is out.  This resignation option (if it is allowed) seems to partly defeat that intention, assuming the Gov and the Lt Gov are allies (no idea if they are).  It also means the incumbent's hubris is the only thing stopping a complete shutdown of recalls done for partisan reasons (which anything in politics is these days). 2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Resignation gets him out of office, too, so I don't understand your point there. In California, the LtGov is separately elected from the governor and sets some policies for the administration on their own. My understanding is that the policies that were objected to were set by the governor himself and not the LtGov, so his resignation and her assumption of office should still solve the complaints. --Khajidha (talk) 20:53, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Newsom is running nonstop TV ads saying basically "vote no or a lunatic Republican will take over and destroy the state", as if only the voters can prevent that outcome. But the Lt.Gov is another centrist Democrat just like Newsom.  If it's true that him resigning kills the recall and makes her Governor, then his ads are really saying "save my ass or I'm taking the state with me".  He could stop Larry Elder with a one-sentence press release.  It wouldn't send him into poverty or prison or anything like that.  He'd just be a rich lobbyist or whatever instead of being Governor.  Or he could play it like he's a hero and use the free time to line up a presidential run, if that's really what this is about. 2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 (talk) 19:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It will be amusing if the recall succeeds and whichever amateur comes in discovers there is a veto proof legislature. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 19:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Gnostic creation ladder
Can someone remind me how it goes? I think it was chaos -> monad -> yhwh -> earth, and there's the angels and jesus and stuff, and also sophia and logos were in there somewhere? The longer the list the better, and ancient infographics on stuff like this are great. Temerarius (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure there was much unformity between different Gnostic schools or leaders. The most important distinction was between the true high God far removed from the world of matter, and the Demiurge or creator of the lesser material world.  In some systems, the Demiurge was considered evil and/or identified with the God of the Old Testament... AnonMoos (talk) 00:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not looking for uniformity. Any old dead guy's list works fine. Temerarius (talk) 01:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Our article on the Apocryphon of John contains a summary of its cosmogony. Unfortunately, we have no such synopsis yet for On the Origin of the World. --Lambiam 08:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)