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Prominent Muslim women married to Non–Muslims?
Greetings,

I am looking for following information (Where possible with sources)


 * a) Which are first well known examples of Muslim woman married to Non–Muslim men?
 * b) Prominent Muslim women married to Non–Muslims from various countries?
 * c) Autobiographies and biographies of Muslim women married to Non–Muslim men?
 * c) Muslim women married to Non–Muslims also examples in fiction literature: stories, novels, poetry, drama, TV series and movies.

Thanks

&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

The first one I thought of is Huma Abedin. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:69F6 (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, US Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) is currently married to Tim Mynett, a political consultant who worked on her campaign. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:69F6 (talk) 05:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * , I am sure that you are not trying to compile a convenient list of people that violent extremists might want to assassinate, but consider the possibility that such a list as you describe might possibly be used by someone else for such a purpose. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 22:31, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Certainly any anti–human misuse of information and knowledge would be distressing. Civilian airplanes were misused in 9/11 so do we stop producing and using Civilian airplanes? same is true about information and knowledge.
 * Rather intention here is to normalize history and existence of Muslim women's marriages to non–Muslim men. Normalization itself likely to reduce scourge of breach of human rights.
 * &#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 07:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * &#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 07:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Despite Islamic law and traditions to the contrary, Muslim women have been marrying non-Muslim men for a very long time. This article describes Crusaders taking Muslim wives as early as the 1120s.   Wikipedia's article titled Interfaith marriage in Islam also notes that in poly-religious societies (like India) and officially secular countries (like Turkey) that marriages between Muslim women and non-Muslim men are far more common.  -- Jayron 32 17:32, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure who that author is but she seems to be a scientist rather than an historian...anyway it's possible that Muslims and crusaders married sometimes but the evidence is a bit sketchy. Muslims who converted to Christianity first, sure, and eastern Christians definitely. Adam Bishop (talk) 22:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If we go back a thousand years or so, the very concept of marriage becomes sketchy. Most states did not record marriages, and even the Church-sanctioned marriage was not universal even in Western Europe (see e.g. common law marriage). Quite often, any couple living together for a time with the knowledge of the local community was considered married. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Iman (model) --Viennese Waltz 18:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Music critic at Mills College?
I'm working on a WP article for the music critic Mark Swed (born 1945). His Grove bio says that he went to Mills College and received an MA. As a man, how would this be possible for him? I thought Mills was a women's college? Typo? Aza24 (talk) 09:44, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ” Mills College is a private women's liberal arts college in Oakland, California. Mills is an undergraduate women's college for women and gender non-binary students with graduate programs for students of all genders.” DOR (HK) (talk) 14:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The article also says "In 1920, Mills added graduate programs for women and men, granting its first master's degrees the following year."  He graduated from UCB with a BA then studied at Mills for his MA.   I don't have access to Grove, but that is presumably what it says. 92.23.202.187 (talk) 15:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Speaking more generally, over the years I have come across a number of instances where a school or college nominally restricted to one sex has taken an occasional student of the other sex: most often this was the child or other close relative of one of the establishment's teachers, who might well have been living with their parent/relative on the premises. [Edited to add] At my own 600-strong all-male boarding school, of the three girls who (for the first time) joined our 6th form (i.e. last two senior years), one was the daughter of my physics teacher and one the daughter of the school's head caterer. (The school turned fully co-ed the year after I left.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sled-skateboard hybrid
Back in the day, during my 1990s childhood in Baku, kids were making a wooden rectangular or square flatboard on four wheels (slightly more bulky than skateboard) and rode it like sled, where the second guy was pushing from behind. Was it a known thing elsewhere and did it have a name? Brandmeistertalk  10:28, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Go-kart MilborneOne (talk) 18:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See also soapbox car and soapbox derby. The ones in the photos in those articles look quite fancy, but historically the cars were made from actual shipping crates (soap boxes). 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:69F6 (talk) 18:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My father was quite enthusiastic about such improvised downhill wooden karts for kids. He built them himself in the late 1930s and early 1940s, built them with his children in the 1960s and with his grandchildren in the 1990s. They were nailed together from 2X4s and scraps of plywood, and the front wheels had a swiveling axle so it could be steered by a loop of rope. This was in Michigan and California. No helmets! We called them go-karts while being aware that real go-karts had lawn mower type engines and welded metal frames. Cullen328 (talk) 07:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Is the OP referring to street luge? -- Jayron 32 17:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Flash robs
There has been a sudden flurry of flash robs in the US, particularly west coast. Is this some kind of new tactic that just developed? Some new coordination channel (someone on reddit said Tik Tok)? They seemed semi-spontaneous, but apparently some of them are more organized, e.g. same 40 people did two of them a few hours apart, at two stores of the same chain but 50 miles away from each other. They did one, piled into 20 cars, drove to the other place, and did that one.

There isn't any obvious new tactical ingredient to these robberies, so if there is one, I'm wondering what it is (social media coordination by itself doesn't seem big enough). Or contrarily, if there isn't a new ingredient, then why did it just start happening instead of being a regular thing? I'm actually surprised that it wasn't more popular decades ago before there was surveillance everywhere. Did we reach a new level of social distress among the robbers, or what? Thanks. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:69F6 (talk) 19:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * We already have an article on Steaming (crime) which was a thing in the UK in the 1990s/2000s and seems to be the same idea. Alansplodge (talk) 09:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See also the not-always crime-motivated Flash mob. As that article mentions, the idea of an unexpected mob of criminals converging with the aid of technology was anticipated by Larry Niven's 1976 story Flash Crowd (in which teleportation booths supplemented comtech to facilitate the convergence and dispersal of the criminals involved). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 00:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This kind of robbery is also known as a smash and grab, which can be perpetrated by a single individual, and also by groups of varying sizes. -- Jayron 32 13:31, 29 November 2021 (UTC)