Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2022 July 17

= July 17 =

Maximum high-speed duration and range of an F-14
How long (time/distance) would an F-14 have been able to go maximum speed? --KnightMove (talk) 05:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Our article doesn't seem to say, but a lot of the performance specs we do have apparently come from a handful of sources: this one from the US Navy, which also doesn't have the info and a book with these publishing details: Spick, Mike. "F-14 Tomcat". The Great Book of Modern Warplanes. St. Paul, Minnesota: MBI Publishing Company, 2000. I can't seem to find a viewable preview on line, but possibly it has the details you want. Maybe your library has it or could procure it? It's also available at Amazon, etc. A bit of a long shot, TBH; if the Navy didn't publish the details, I don't know who else would have it. Matt Deres (talk) 13:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Henrietta Müller is she a Chilean suffragist, Chilean expatriate in England, Chilean editor, Chilean women journalist, Chilean people of German descent ???
Hello, I strongly disagree over categories re-added by @Bedivere on Henrietta Müller. Henrietta Müller was born in Valparaiso in an English-German Family of expats. The family settled back in England and she went to college at Girton, then spent her entire life in England as did her family. There is no evidence that as an adult, she kept any links of any sort with Chile, no references, no sources, etc. I consider that she cannot be "categorized" as, I quote, "Chilean suffragist, Chilean expatriate in England, Chilean editor, Chilean women journalist, Chilean people of German descent". Any opinions ? (English is not my native language) Best regards, Pierrette13 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, I asked this question in Tea House Teahouse but was answered that it was not the proper page for this question. I try here (I'm not too familiar with help pages in WP:EN (I mainly contribute on WP:FR), thank you for your attention, best regards, Pierrette13 (talk) 07:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Noting that I have no previous knowledge of this subject, my opinion is that most or all of those categories are appropriate for the article, since she was born and at least partially raised in Chile. They are not designed to strictly define Müller (since they are in the context of a much longer set of categories), but to aid Wikipedia users who may be exploring those topics and would want to be aware of her.
 * The proper page to discuss this question is the Talk page of the article, where (with whom you disagree) has already posted their reasons for adding/restoring (some of) them. The established procedure here is the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Bedivere, in good faith, boldly added some of the categories, you disagreed with them and reverted the additions, now you should civilly discuss the matter on the Talk page (where others may care to join in) until you reach a mutually agreed compromise. You might want to read through Categorization first. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.169.177 (talk) 12:32, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, as a matter of fact, I want other advices, but I don't think many contributors follow this discussion page. According to me, it's irrelevant to state that Henrietta Müller could be a "Chilean expatriate in England", I don't want to make a fuss of it nor spend the day on it, if everybody here is confortable with making Henrietta Müller a Chilean journalist or Chilean suffragist, etc. let it be so, best regards, --Pierrette13 (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You could try posting a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography asking other editors to join the discussion, but that ought to be on the article's talk page. Alansplodge (talk) 16:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Try having a variant Third culture kid added to Category Expatriates. TCK (Third culture kid) is already linked to in Existential migration. TCK could be used as an argument linking the subject to cosmopolitanism; either because she was excluded from recognition in the nations or was feeling so, or because she was missing a feeling of real regarding her statute as a Chilean national. Diplomatically speaking I'd probably delegate something of the categorization problem to Chilean women. Retrospectively they might prefer they needed her as suffragist. --Askedonty (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Muller was born in Chile, lived there 9 years, then moved to London, lived in London 2 years, and then moved back to Chile for a shorter period . At the time of her birth, and still, Chile practiced jus solis, so she was definitely a Chilean citizen at birth. That said, adding her to all kinds of Chilean bio categories might be disproportionate, I'd say it would suffice with just 'Chilean people of German descent'. --Soman (talk) 19:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

"Of special interest is a hand - illuminatd document headed ANANDAMAYA KOSA : ' A Theosophical gathering on September 4, 1893 , ' inscribed with Sanskrit characters at the top and Sinhalese in the margins , and signed by the following thirteen representatives of different countries : Gyanendra N. Chakravarti ( Allahabad , India ) , H. Dhamapala ( Ceylon ) , Annie Besant ( Ireland ) , William Q. Judge ( Ireland ) , Henrietta Müller ( Chile ) ,... " (, p. 114) --Soman (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Difference between Lawyer and Advocate
What is the difference between a lawyer and an advocate? I was solving some interwiki link conflicts on Wikidata when I bumped across this. Reading the article, I can't make out any real difference. Can someone help? I hope this is the correct Reference Desk for it. Thanks! &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 13:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * An "advocate" would seem to be a more specific kind of "lawyer". --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "Advocacy" is arguing your client's case in Court.  In the U S the legal profession is not split, so attorneys can advise their clients and represent them in court.   In Britain it is split - barristers take instructions from solicitors in the form of "briefs" which they argue in court on behalf of the solicitor's client (the plaintiff/defendant).   Nowadays solicitors have limited audience rights.   In Portugal (the only civil law country whose legal system I am familiar with) the profession is not split and both solicitadores and advogados appear to have rights of audience. 78.149.211.210 (talk) 15:11, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Good luck finding a barrister in Scotland! This is your regular reminder that Britain has more than one legal system. DuncanHill (talk) 11:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * An advocate does not need to be a lawyer. For example, Court Appointed Special Advocates for children in the United States.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, to make it clearer, the term "advocate" is a term d'art which differs wildly between different legal systems. You need to indicate in which specific jurisdiction you are asking about.  -- Jayron 32 11:19, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Many years ago, my mom went to a hospital and later had a billing issue. The patient's advocate there proved that she was ultimately working for the hospital, not for the patient. So there's a big difference. 74.64.73.24 (talk) 11:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Russian classical dances
To any Russian users or anyone who speaks Russian or anyone who studied Russian culture, is the term “Russian classical dance” can be also described Russian traditional dances? Alastair McCapra aka McCapra wanted me to find a source that term can be also expanded into traditional dances of Russia. This is going to be really hard because I cannot speak Russian fluently. Please help. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 16:35, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In Russian, the term "classical dance" means ballet, not traditional folk dances. See ru:Классический танец, for instance. Igor Moiseyev's type of dancing goes by the name of ru:Народно-сценический танец. Ghirla-трёп- 22:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Which of these categories would an investment account fall under?
I'm applying for a mortgage, and I'm currently listing my assets. I have an investment account I want to add, with the following dropbar options:


 * Certificate of Deposit
 * Checking Account
 * Gift of Cash
 * Gift of Property Equity
 * Money Market Fund
 * Mutual Funds
 * Pending Net Sale Proceeds From Real Estate Assets
 * Retirement Funds
 * Savings Account
 * Stock

Any idea which category I should pick for it? --Aabicus (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It depends on HOW your account is invested… it could fit in several categories: containing a mix of stocks, municipal bonds, mutual funds, Money Market funds etc. Blueboar (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll talk to my advisor. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction --Aabicus (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Lastname "Prolife"
Abortion is a contentious issue in the US. One side of the debate is commonly called "pro-life".

I noticed that this US politican has the lastname "Prolife". Is this lastname somehow related to the abortion debate (as in, the person intentionally changed their natural lastname to this one)?

Thanks for your help. Daniel T Wolters (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on his LinkedIn page… I would say an intentional change of name is likely. Blueboar (talk) 20:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Reminds me of Byron (Low Tax) Looper lol! 68.4.99.100 (talk) 02:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Queen Christina's letter
The article Christina, Queen of Sweden shows this letter she wrote to Decio Azzolino. Note the long sequences of numbers in between the text. What do they mean? Is it some kind of code? J I P &#124; Talk 22:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Many sources on Google Books confirm that she used cipher to mask the most intimate passages in her letters to Azzolino. Ghirla-трёп- 22:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Our article Decio Azzolino says "Azzolino burnt most of their correspondence; about 80 letters have survived. Some details were written in a code that was decrypted by Carl Bildt in Rome around 1900". Here is the archived page used as a reference. DuncanHill (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2022 (UTC)