Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2022 October 11

= October 11 =

Was the Oran massacre racially motivated?
The article Oran massacre of 1962 used to be part of the Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa until a certain user, who has attentively been watching the article Woke, removed the category several months ago. Was the 1962 Oran Massacre racially motivated? Was it ethnic cleansing? Or is it impossible for white people to be victims of racism like User:Viennese Waltz said above? If that is the case, I will be nominating Category:Anti-white racism and all its subcategories for deletion. StellarHalo (talk) 04:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Please do not waste our time by frivolous nominations meant to prove a point. --Lambiam 06:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I deleted a category once before to prove a point that none of the jailed Catalan coup plotters were political prisoners. Please see Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 24. It worked out my way last time. I can do it again. Also, I am serious about this question. If you do not have anything useful to contribute, then please refrain from answering. StellarHalo (talk) 06:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're courting a block, you might get your wish. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A block for what exactly? I do not need your permission to nominate a category for deletion. StellarHalo (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * For violating WP:POINT. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If a category is clearly factually wrong and pushing a nonsensical POV like the Catalan separatist delusions and persecution complex, then nominating it for deletion is not disruptive. Pretty much all Afd are trying to prove a point that the article in question violates content policies, although some users believe that vanity articles should be deleted even when there is no rule against those. StellarHalo (talk) 17:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That is not the meaning of "to prove a point" as the expression is commonly understood. See further Wikilawyering. --Lambiam 17:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 29. Is this an example of a frivolous nomination meant to "prove a point"? Should User:Bohemian Baltimore be blocked? StellarHalo (talk) 20:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I might instead start a discussion on Village pump with all that I wrote above in "Are all white people racist?" along with how the article on White pride is different from articles on other forms of pride of identities a human is accidentally born into: Asian pride, Black pride, and LGBT pride. I will also include discussion on It's okay to be white. StellarHalo (talk) 00:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Have you considered the Other (philosophy)? MinorProphet (talk) 20:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

more clarity?
As torts wouldn't amount to crime in a strict sense, what is exactly the violation aspect in tort from a crime? as in the case of crime, the violation aspect would be the law being violated, laid down by authorities of state in statutes/Acts. Grotesquetruth (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Just wondering… can anyone recommend some basic legal textbooks that would answer most of Grotesquetruth’s questions? This is supposed to be a reference desk, after all. Blueboar (talk) 12:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A tort is a civil wrong which is not a breach of contract.2A00:23C1:3180:AA01:494D:8CC3:217A:DA85 (talk) 12:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I cannot find any meaning in what is exactly the violation aspect in tort from a crime. To me, it is word-salad. ColinFine (talk) 15:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand it to mean "what actions distinguish a tort from a crime", which could be clarified considerably by reading tort. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 15:42, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Everyone is required to exercise a reasonable care for the well-being and property of others. If my neighbour, carelessly backing up their car, flattens the lovingly grown petunias in my garden, they violated my right to growing and enjoying unflattened petunias. There is no law codifying this petunia-enjoyment right; it is an implied right. In legal terms, this wrongful act, if unintentional, can be construed as a breach of duty of care. --Lambiam 17:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * so who fixes the duty in torts? Grotesquetruth (talk) 20:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Have you read tort? --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 21:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a torty job, but someone's gotta do it. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

At the risk of being obvious, see Tort. DOR (HK) (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Identical italicized Latin and Russian letters
From a historical point of view, why two italicized Latin letters u and m look identical to the different Russian ones - и and т? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 22:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * They don't on the typeface on my computer. But "u" and "m" are lower case script forms of И and T respectively. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 00:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The Cyrillic alphabet and the Latin alphabet both derive from the Greek alphabet, and so coincidentally common letter forms are not unexpected. Beyond that commonality, I don't know that there is any reason beyond "coincidence".  It is important to note that different languages often use analogous glyphs for very different sounds.  Consider the often-confused lower case nu vs. the Latin "v", the capital eta and the capital "H", many of the letters in the Cherokee syllabary look like Latin letters, because the forms of the letters only and not the sounds were adopted from the Latin script.  AFAIK, the case of Russian is convergent evolution however, the Cyrillic script letters developed independently and arrived at forms similar to the Latin script letters purely coincidentally. -- Jayron 32 11:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 20-Russian alphabet-Т т.svg in Russian]]The italic form of the lower case of the Cyrillic letter  derives from the cursive form, which in turn is a sized-down variant of the capital letter in cursive form. I suppose the serifs at the two ends of the roof of the  have been elongated to strokes extending to the base line, although I am not sure that this reflects the historical genesis, nor do I know a reason for this elongation.  --Lambiam 12:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Cursive forms are designed to be connected writing, by design. The conventions on how to connect letters vary by writing system, so the fact that Russian Cyrillic cursive links up its letters in a particular way that differs from the common ways that Latin alphabet cursives do can be true in an unremarkable way.  That one of those ways makes the Cyrillic Te (Cyrillic) glyph look like a latin "m" glyph is understandable if you connect your cursive through the bar of the T shape rather than through the vertical riser of the T shape as most Latin alphabet cursives do.  To me, at least, the explanation of how drawing a cursive "T" by connecting via the cross bar looks to be how you get the "m" shape. -- Jayron 32 14:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * According to Cyrillic script, Peter the Great mandated the use of westernized letter forms (see Reforms of Russian orthography) in the early 18th century. MinorProphet (talk) 20:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Interlingual homograph does not mention this phenomenon. --Error (talk) 01:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)