Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2022 October 20

= October 20 =

Car model
What model is this car:, ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.25.59.32 (talk) 11:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a cartoon, so it isn't any real model as far as I can tell, but it shares some design features with several popular models first released in the first decade of the 2000s: the Scion xB, the Nissan Cube, the Kia Soul, the Ford Flex. It isn't identical to any of them, but the general body shape matches key features of some or all of them.  -- Jayron 32 11:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's from Al Capone's mafia in Chicago, then you can search on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.25.59.32 (talk) 12:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If it is supposed to be Al Capone's car, his most famous car was a dark green Cadillac Series 341 (also called the Town Sedan), see here, which except for the grille and headlight assembly, doesn't much look like your cartoon. -- Jayron 32 12:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say it isn’t supposed to be any specific model… but rather it is supposed to evoke a typical car from the 1920s/30s. Blueboar (talk) 12:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Kind of, given the front end, but the basic body shape is very different from typical 1920s cars, and very much like typical 2000s cars (as the models I noted above). It honestly looks like someone slapped a 1920s grille on a Scion xB.  -- Jayron 32 12:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Homewreckers?
Besides Emmanuel Macron who homewrecked the marriage of his high school teacher 25 years his senior and became a step-dad to her children who are around his age, who are the other notable homewreckers across history? StellarHalo (talk) 21:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There are several lists of "famous homewreckers" online. E.g.:  Los Angeles Times & Chicago Tribune.  136.56.52.157 (talk) 22:01, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Trump and Giuliani come to mind immediately. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:40, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * As does Newt Gingrich. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A cursory glance through the history of most royal families I'm sure would turn up copious examples. In general, look for those with largely unfettered power and resources, and you'll find the basic ingredients for 'homewrecking'. And I put the homewrecking in quotes, because the homewrecking you refer to on the part of the powerful person generally (but not always) involves the consent of the homewrecked. Indeed the 'homewrecked' may well be the one that instigates or pursues the relationship as they seek a high status partner. In other words, both parties are generally to blame for the situation, so labeling the person who 'stole' the married partner as a homewrecker is really a pretty loaded term, as it's really laying all the blame at the feet of the individual who wasn't in the relationship, which may well not be the case. --jjron (talk) 07:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I should possibly remind everyone in this thread that WP:BLP still applies at the ref desks, and that specific word choices matter. Terms like extramarital relationship does not carry as much potential for policy violations as some of the other words used in this thread.  Please tread lightly; a living person doing abhorrent things does not exempt BLP policy when using derogatory terms to discuss them, and "scare quotes" do not provide an exemption either.  -- Jayron 32 11:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with . "Homewrecker" is imprecise pejorative slang, and should never be used anywhere on Wikipedia to describe a living person, except possibly in a direct quotation from a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 01:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Did a reliable source directly claim that Macron "homewrecked" someone's marriage? If not, then this entire section should be erased. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The homewrecker article defines it as being "a person, object or activity that causes or comes close to causing the breakup of a marriage (or similar partnership). The homewrecker is said to have taken one of the spouses away from the marriage, thus "wrecking" the marital home." In that definition the term is largely descriptive of what has happened, rather than pejorative as most here are assuming. In general use we do think of the term 'wreck' as being negative, but it may not be meant to be in this definition. In terms of the original question, the Brigitte Macron article says "In 1993 ...she met the 15-year-old Emmanuel Macron in La Providence High School ... She divorced Auzière (her then husband) in January 2006 and married Macron in October 2007.", while the Emmanuel Macron article says "...they only became a couple once he was 18 ... the couple reunited after Macron graduated, and were married in 2007.". These descriptions would seem to meet a basic interpretation of the definition given above in that one was married and the other was not, but no detail is given in either article as to who instigated the relationship, or who pursued it in the many years between when they met, when they 'first' became a couple (c1996 according to the details given), when her first marriage ended (2006, a decade later), and when the current couple married. The obvious assumption would be that there are links between these things, but they are not specified in the articles here, and indeed, from the information in the Wikipedia articles, the end of the marriage may have been independent of the relationship of the current couple. --jjron (talk) 08:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The question is why the OP singled out Macron. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Other sources are not bound to the rules of Wikipedia, and BLP rules apply here, even if they do not apply elsewhere. Find other ways to describe the situation.  "Extramarital affair" is generally better; so long as it is admitted or proven (of course, unproven allegations of this type should NOT be shared anywhere on Wikipedia).  Pejorative terms should not be used here.  -- Jayron 32 14:33, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The OP should box this section up. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)