Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 April 16

= April 16 =

Eileen Aroon Words
Here is Mary O'Hara singing an irish folk song titled Eireen Aroon (or i think it's Eibhlin a Ruin in irish)

I barely know irish but it does appear that she is singing in irish/gaelic in this song. However, whenever i try to look for the lyrics, they are either in english (which it does not appear she is singing in) or it brings me lyrics that dont match. I would appreciate if anyone could help me find the correct irish lyrics or what she is saying!

I apepear to not be able to put the link so please just search mary o hara eileen arron

Thank you 95.12.121.44 (talk) 00:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is Irish Song Lyrics for: Aileen Aroon It seems to partially match "Eileen Aroon" by Mary O'Hara from Songs of Erin (1956), but not entirely. 136.56.52.157 (talk) 05:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Better source for same lyrics: -- As sung by Mrs. Clive at ye Theatre Royal, London, ca. 1742 --136.56.52.157 (talk) 06:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * More versions here: -- 136.56.52.157 (talk) 06:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're subscribed to Spotify, you can allegedly see lyrics to "Eibhlín a Rún" by Mary O'Hara, from Sa Ghailearaí Náisiúnta (1987), here:. --136.56.52.157 (talk) 07:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Hopefully I can find the first verse 95.12.121.44 (talk) 10:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Running-fight game in Italian
what is the Italian for Running-fight game? 89.97.104.35 (talk) 15:25, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Doing a quick search using Google, it looks like the name gioco di corsa e combattimento is used, but I'm not sure if it is an established name or just a direct automatic translation. --195.62.160.60 (talk) 07:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Calcio Fiorentino is similar in concept, no? --136.56.52.157 (talk) 19:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The three-player "triangular backgammon" game TOP·3 is called here a gioco di percorso e cattura. The same term is used here for an Ancient Roman game Ludus Duodecim Scriptorum, said to be similar to the ancient Egyptian board game Senet and compared here to backgammon. --Lambiam 10:11, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Did you actually have to "whack" someone to become a made man in the mafia?
I've recently foubnd myself going down a fairly interesting rabbithole on youtube involving former members of the mafia and their videos. Loads of aged mobsters have YouTube channels where they share stories, comment on whatever's in the news, review movies, hawk merchandise/great deals on VPNs and constatly trash talk each other.

Won't mention names becuase of BLP on here, but one guy was basically accusing another of being a nepotism hire who only got made as a favor to his father and implied that he'd never "made his bones" and that no-one took him seriously. Been doing a bit of reading around and I've read different accounts of whaether a killing was actually needed to prove one's loyalty, or that you're not a cop.

Anyone know? Or did it vary over time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.127.240 (talk) 21:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How does one become a "former" member of the mafia? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:42, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Movies and tv shows told me that you can't just walk away, but in real life it doesn't seem to be black and white. Of course some of them ratted out their associates too and became famous because of that. idk, maybe they're too high profile for any comback or it happened so long ago that no-one cares any more as long as they're only talking ancient history. But "former mobster" does seem to be a thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.127.240 (talk) 21:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Just to add - after posting this a video turned up on my YouTube recs of some random guy talking crap about Sammy The Bull's mom. Truly this is a wonderful corner of the internet. We've come so far. Heheheh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.127.240 (talk) 23:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an article on the term made man, which says that "Often, an associate is required to carry out a contract killing in order to become eligible...". Often, not always. Makes sense to me. No source is cited for the information, but some other items in the same paragraph are sourced to Underboss by Peter Maas. --174.89.12.187 (talk) 04:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The rationality behind it has nothing to do with murder. As with any form of gang activity, members are required to commit a crime serious enough that they don't want to deal with the legal punishment. The gang now has evidence of the crime and can use it to control the member. In the Hollywood terms, the Mafia bosses tell the new guy that has to do what they say or they will turn him into the police for murder. 12.116.29.106 (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I always thought it was to prove that you weren't undercover police/a fed, the rationale being that law enforcement can't commit crimes when undercover. Can't remember where I read this (it was in an article years ago), but it was mentioned that sometimes they'd order you to "whack" someone and basically send you on a wild goose chase under false pretenses (while watching you) - just to see if you'd actually have been prepared to go through with it. As an aside, I've been browsing MafiaTube now. Here's Sammy The Bull and Michael Franzese promoting wine together on the internet. This really is kinda funny to see these old mobsters doing the social media influencer shuffle like everyone else. Haven't seen them shilling Ridge Wallets, Raid Shadow Legends or those Japanese chefs' knives yet, but I wouldn't be surprised. Iloveparrots (talk) 18:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * OP here. Did you ever watch The Mafia States of America? documentary? Sammy and Michael hated each other in that and nearly came to blows at one point. I wasn't sure how much of it was just kayfabe internet beef tho - it deffo could have been. But yeah, the Omerta is pretty much dead now we have guys like this beefing online for an appreciative audience, isn't it lol. 146.200.128.34 (talk) 20:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It is commonly believed that a law official cannot commit a crime and therefore you just ask them to do so and it proves that they are or are not a law official. That is untrue. Just as any other human can commit a crime and, if caught, suffer punishment, a law official can as well. It doesn't reduce evidence that the law official may find separate from committing a crime. Many people think that if you ask someone if they are police, they are required to tell you. That is not true either. Both of these are loosely based on entrapment laws. In books and movies, they are used as tropes to add suspense to legal dramas, knowing full well that they are not accurate. What a law official cannot do is push someone else to commit a crime. So, following the logic that you are trying to prove they are a cop, you don't ask them to kill someone. You ask them to make someone else kill someone. That is entrapment and they cannot do it. Technically, they can. They just can't arrest the person afterward because of the entrapment. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 22:34, 18 April 2023 (UTC)