Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 August 12

= August 12 =

Qi Jiguang
Many years after his death, he was acquitted from his past disgrace charge at the Imperial court. Can you find the years, the Emperor in charge, and who did it? Thank you.
 * As per the Dictionary of Ming Biography, 1368-1644 (available ar archive.org), Ji (Ch’i) “retired in 1585 and returned to Teng-chou where he died.” “Three decades later the court awarded him the posthumous name Wu-i.” “In May, 1630 [perhaps three decades after his death?], his third son, Ch’I Ch’ang-kuo (b. 1573) … [convinced the emperor to officially approve his shrine in Teng-chou] The emperor granted it the name piao-chung tz’u.” (pp. 222-224). DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 17:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm looking at the same source (thanks, User:DOR_HK!), and I'm reading the posthumous name and official designation of the shrine as two separate events. Three decades postmortem would be 1618, and the two events are mentioned in separate paragraphs. I'd probably consider the granting of the posthumous name to be the rehabilitation, but if we're going to use this in an article we should probably use the firm later date of 1630, describing both events as having happened by then.Incidentally, OP who forgot to sign, here's a citation template to use for this information: Folly Mox (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * oh it's already in the article 🙃 Folly Mox (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Please, can you also help me to translate from Chinese these Mongols related to him: zh:董狐狸, zh:长秃, zh:长昂? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.54.106.120 (talk)
 * You can use Google Translate yourself to get translations. If you use Chrome, this is a built-in service. --Lambiam 07:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Machine translation gives me "Dong Fox", "Long baldness", and "Long". I think Romanization of Chinese would be more useful, if the intended purpose is for writing an article for instance. Card Zero  (talk) 11:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't asked this unregistered editor their intentions about the translation of those three articles, because I assumed it was to enter them into the English language Wikipedia. Machine translation is ok for personal use, but a bit irresponsible to recommend if the goal is an encyclopaedia article. One of us at WikiProject China will just be on the hook for cleaning it up once the draft is correctly declined.As an aside, "Dong the Fox" is probably not an unreasonable guess as to how Chinese speakers interpreted Dong Huli's name, but in general translation should not be attempted on personal names. Folly Mox (talk) 12:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So Wiktionary tells me the other two would be pronounced Cháng Tū and Cháng Áng. Is that Dong Changtu, as mentioned here? Could Cháng Áng even be Dong Huli's nephew Chaghan? Card Zero  (talk) 14:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, those are the same people. The capture and release by Qi Jiguang is mentioned in the zh.wp articles. According to those articles, Chang Tu and Dong Huli were brothers, and Chang Ang was a mutual nephew. Folly Mox (talk) 22:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Isoroku Yamamoto
At his state funeral, in 1943, was present also Emperor Hirohito? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.217.163 (talk) 15:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * All of the accounts I could find such as this, don't mention that he did. Note that the protocol for western monarchs is that they do not attend non-royal state funerals, although this has been ignored in Britain during the 20th century. Alansplodge (talk) 21:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Protocol evolves. Reluctantly and unwillingly, perhaps, but change does eventually occur. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  00:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)