Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 February 6

= February 6 =

Draft:Chanda dynasty
How is this source? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 02:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * On the one hand, Business Studies is a peer-reviewed journal published by the University of Calcutta. On the other hand, this particular article includes claims such as "sorcerers and black magic practitioners cursed the village" and "This village is cursed. The villagers abandoned the village in 1800. ... The villagers left the place leaving a timeless spell." Due to the article's presentation of folklore and myth as though it were history, I'd recommend that it not be used for historical claims. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How are its other sources? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Note. Crossposted at. --Lambiam 08:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Is it wrong to do so? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 08:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Somewhat. See WP:CROSS-POST. Shantavira|feed me 09:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Florence Martin
(Florence Martin, the stage & silent film actress, not Florence Martin, the physicist and philanthropist.)

This came up because of the photo shown here. I'm a little surprised we don't have an article on her, but sources seem just skimpy enough that that makes sense. Anyway, I'd like to do at least a Wikidata item. IMDB shows her as born July 2, 1902, and starting her film career in 1919, but this photo dates from no later than March 1916. She sure looks more than 13 years old here, no? And while the eponymous Peg is a teenager, the plot of Peg O' My Heart calls for her to get married in the end, hard to imagine casting someone quite that young. Further, File:The Town Crier, v.11, no.10, Mar. 4, 1916 - DPLA - 410be476b7c8cada769dd7865e974e54 (page 14).jpg indicates that she had already played this leading role for a year in Boston. Her face seems to match other images in Commons:Category:Florence Martin (compare, for example, File:Florence Martin - Mar 1920 EH.jpg). I'm wondering if the birth date is wrong, or maybe it could be a different actress with the same name and a rather similar appearance? - Jmabel &#124; Talk 05:59, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The simplest explanation is that IMDB is inaccurate. Happens all the time! There's some newspapers.com hits coming up for a stage actress in the Boston area by that name. Here's of the earlier ones I found, from 1907. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 06:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * All I get from your link is "This clipping has been marked as not public. If this is your clipping, please sign in to view it." - Jmabel &#124; Talk 16:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jmabel, fixed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * & "who has been but two seasons on the stage" to boot! Meaning she was on the stage in 1905. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 16:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * So at this point, the question is: two actresses of this name, or an error in IMDB? I agree that the latter seems more likely, but I'd still love to see something more solid. Note also that the Boston Globe calls here a "California girl" and IMDB says born in Chicago. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 16:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In former decades it was common for entertainers (and their publicity agents, etc.), particularly females, to pretend to be younger than they were so as to continue to be cast in roles for younger characters rather than be replaced by younger rivals. The financial considerations could be substantial, so there was strong motivation for this, and before centralised record keeping (let alone the internet) it was not easy to refute. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.2195} 90.221.194.253 (talk) 17:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Specific Current Events Related to Human Rights
From 1 January 2022 to today, what are specific instances of powerful and/or privileged individuals getting their human rights violated, other than the seizures of the assets of Russian oligarchs. By human rights, I mean all the ones listed in the Articles 3 to 29 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It could be from anywhere in the world. StellarHalo (talk) 07:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? What makes you think that the seizure of Russian oligarchs' assets constitutes a violation of their human rights? What makes you think that the people killed in that shooting were powerful and privileged? Your question makes no sense. --Viennese Waltz 08:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * UDHR Article 17: No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property. . Anyway, I am requesting assistance in finding instances of a specific type of event from a given timeframe. StellarHalo (talk) 08:59, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * On second thought, ignore the struck parts. StellarHalo (talk) 09:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Your presumption that the Russian oligarchs obtained their assets legitimately probably could be argued against. People in general are not allowed to keep property that they get through illegitimate means.-- Jayron 32 14:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I never presumed that any of their assets were obtained legitimately. Whether or not any of those were legitimately obtained is not relevant especially compared to the lack of due process from national governments that up until the invasion, were not really concerned about the issue of legitimacy of their money to begin with. There are good reasons why the question of legality has came up repeatedly in both the US and Europe regarding the seizures and possible sales of these assets. StellarHalo (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * How is the seizure of their property "arbitrary"? --Golbez (talk) 17:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That depends on what arbitrarily means in each case. What comes to mind is:
 * On 9 January 2023, Nasr Azadani was sentenced to 26 years in prison, 16 for the crime of partaking in enmity against God, and 10 years for 2 other crimes committed during the protests.
 * supposing the charges against him are false.
 * On 10 January 2022, the military court in Myanmar sentenced Suu Kyi to an additional four years in prison on a number of charges including "importing and owning walkie-talkies" and "breaking coronavirus rules". The trials, which are closed to the public, the media, and any observers, were described as a "courtroom circus of secret proceedings on bogus charges" by the deputy director for Asia of Human Rights Watch
 * There are further sentences.
 * 2022 Russian businessmen suspicious deaths if they are intentional.
 * --Error (talk) 16:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * You can also check 2022 and 2023. Privileged people are more probable to appear there than nobodies. For example:
 * January 23
 * A coup d'état in Burkina Faso removes president Roch Kaboré from power. The Burkinabé military cites the government's failure to contain activities of Islamist militants within the country as a reason for the coup.
 * --Error (talk) 01:56, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Amber Fort
Is Alan Singh Chanda the correct name as the builder of Amber Fort? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 10:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia article Amber Fort claims it was Raja Man Singh, but the article about him does not mention him building it. -- Jayron 32 14:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

You should watch it again. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Watch what again? -- Jayron 32 17:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Jenin refugee camp
If someone can direct me to sources discussing the history of the Jenin refugee camp between its establishment in 1953 and the Second Intifada, that would be helpful. The ⬡ Bestagon T / C 13:58, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, I found quite a lot (too many to copy over) by using google scholar, which you can set to a date range. Setting it to 1953-1999 brings up loads of studies written during your time period. Have a look:
 * If you can’t access any of these articles, you can request them from WP:RX. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Giant Baba's family
Father: Kazuo Baba, died in November 1968; mother: Mitsu Baba, died in July 1971; older brother: Shoichi Baba, killed in war at Bougainville on February 6, 1943; older sisters: Yoshi and Aiko. Please, can you help me to find these information: for his parents, the place and date of birth, the place, day and cause of death, and his mother's maiden name; for his brother the place and date of birth; for his sisters all about their birth and death. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.139.161 (talk) 16:57, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please, someone can help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.138.25 (talk) 14:54, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This sort of information is not likely to be published so that Wikipedia editors can access it, and if it is, it would likely be in Japanese-language sources, which very few Reference desk editors on this English-language Wikipedia would be able to read.
 * You would do better to ask at the Japanese Wikipedia, or to engage the services of an amateur or professional Genealogist, who specialises in such research. I hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.141.181 (talk) 17:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Why was Camrose Camrose?
Why did William Berry choose Camrose for his title? I am not aware of any link between him and Camrose, tho' according to the ODNB his mother was from Pembroke Dock. Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * According to : "William was duly raised to the peerage by Baldwin in 1929 and took title Baron Camrose after the name of the Pembrokeshire village where is father had been born." Other sources confirm the birthplace for John Mathias Berry. --Amble (talk) 07:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that makes sense. DuncanHill (talk) 08:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)